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Brady fucks your bell curve hard dude.

Darkside wrote:

Brady fucks your bell curve hard dude.

He's the great outlier.

David Carr, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Jameis Winston, Baker Mayfield, Bryce Young all busts..that's quite a few

I think Carr and Couch are the only legit busts. Winston is still better than some starters today despite being a backup.

Caller Bob wrote:

David Carr, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Jameis Winston, Baker Mayfield, Bryce Young all busts..that's quite a few

There's a wide range of bust in there.

veganfan21 wrote:

I think Carr and Couch are the only legit busts. Winston is still better than some starters today despite being a backup.

JaMarcus is only a bust by the complete idiocy of the Raiders, but he has to be the worst. He should’ve never even been drafted. Rohan Davey and Matt Mauck were better prospects.

Darkside wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

David Carr, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Jameis Winston, Baker Mayfield, Bryce Young all busts..that's quite a few

There's a wide range of bust in there.

Baker Mayfield just took his team team to the playoffs and advanced.

Darkside wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

David Carr, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Jameis Winston, Baker Mayfield, Bryce Young all busts..that's quite a few

There's a wide range of bust in there.

Baker Mayfield just took his team team to the playoffs and advanced.

Franky T wrote:

Darkside wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

David Carr, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Jameis Winston, Baker Mayfield, Bryce Young all busts..that's quite a few

There's a wide range of bust in there.

Baker Mayfield just took his team team to the playoffs and advanced.

But the pick is a bust because he was awful for the Browns. Anybody could have signed Baker Mayfield this offseason

Caller Bob wrote:

Franky T wrote:

Darkside wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

David Carr, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Jameis Winston, Baker Mayfield, Bryce Young all busts..that's quite a few

There's a wide range of bust in there.

Baker Mayfield just took his team team to the playoffs and advanced.

But the pick is a bust because he was awful for the Browns. Anybody could have signed Baker Mayfield this offseason

He wasn't awful for the Browns. He was a productive version of Zach Wilson. MANY of his teammates hated him and the Browns stupidly traded for Watson.

Nas wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

Franky T wrote:

Darkside wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

David Carr, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Jameis Winston, Baker Mayfield, Bryce Young all busts..that's quite a few

There's a wide range of bust in there.

Baker Mayfield just took his team team to the playoffs and advanced.

But the pick is a bust because he was awful for the Browns. Anybody could have signed Baker Mayfield this offseason

He wasn't awful for the Browns. He was a productive version of Zach Wilson. MANY of his teammates hated him and the Browns stupidly traded for Watson.

He wasn't great. His numbers were Fields like in Cleveland

There are tiers to those 1/1 QBs.

Sometimes a QB goes first because they’re considered the best player at the position (e.g., Goff). Other times they’re taken 1/1 because they’re no doubters (e.g., Luck). The latter are rarely busts.

1999: Tim Couch, QB, Kentucky – Cleveland Browns

2001: Michael Vick, QB, Virginia Tech – Atlanta Falcons
2002: David Carr, QB, Fresno State – Houston Texans
2003: Carson Palmer, QB, USC – Cincinnati Bengals
2004: Eli Manning, QB, Ole Miss – San Diego Chargers
2005: Alex Smith, QB, Utah – San Francisco 49ers

2007: JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU – Oakland Raiders

2009: Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia – Detroit Lions
2010: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma – St. Louis Rams
2011: Cam Newton, QB, Auburn – Carolina Panthers
2012: Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford – Indianapolis Colts

2015: Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State – Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2016: Jared Goff, QB, California – Los Angeles Rams

2018: Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma – Cleveland Browns
2019: Kyler Murray, QB, Oklahoma – Arizona Cardinals
2020: Joe Burrow, QB, LSU – Cincinnati Bengals
2021: Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson – Jacksonville Jaguars

2023: Bryce Young, QB, – Carolina Panthers

18 times in the last 25 years NFL teams and their fans came out of draft day after selecting a QB 1/1 thinking We're goin' to the Super Bowl! and not one of those teams who drafted a QB 1st overall has won a Super Bowl with that QB.

3 teams have had the joy of losing a Super Bowl with their 1/1 QB.

Bryce Young ever gets anywhere near the playoffs or wins a Super Bowl it will be with a team not owned by David Tepper.

Burrow might still get it done; but he could also end up retiring early due to his chronic injury issues, like Luck. Or the Bengals make the Super Bowl with Burrow injured on the sidelines while Jake Browning QB-cucks his way to a Super Bowl, a la Earl Morrall and Bob Griese.

Couch and Russell are really the only true bust to me. I think Bradford and his shoulder got him but I don’t consider any others a bust

Author:	Nas [ Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:48 pm ]
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1967: Bubba Smith, DE, Michigan State – Baltimore Colts 1968: Ron Yary, OT, USC – Minnesota Vikings 1969: O.J. Simpson, RB, USC – Buffalo Bills 1970: Terry Bradshaw, QB, Louisiana Tech – Pittsburgh Steelers 1971: Jim Plunkett, QB, Stanford – New England Patriots 1972: Walt Patulski, DE, Notre Dame – Buffalo Bills 1973: John Matuszak, DE, Tampa – Houston Oilers 1974: Ed "Too Tall" Jones, DE, Tennessee State – Dallas Cowboys 1975: Steve Bartkowski, QB, California – Atlanta Falcons 1976: Lee Roy Selmon, DE, Oklahoma – Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1977: Ricky Bell, RB, USC – Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1978: Earl Campbell, RB, Texas – Houston Oilers 1979: Tom Cousineau, LB, Ohio State – Buffalo Bills 1980: Billy Sims, RB, Oklahoma – Detroit Lions 1981: George Rogers, RB, South Carolina – New Orleans Saints 1982: Kenneth Sims, DT, Texas – New England Patriots 1983: John Elway, QB, Stanford – Baltimore Colts (later traded to the Denver Broncos) 1984: Irving Fryar, WR, Nebraska – New England Patriots 1985: Bruce Smith, DE, Virginia Tech – Buffalo Bills 1986: Bo Jackson, RB, Auburn – Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1987: Vinny Testaverde, QB, Miami (FL) – Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1988: Aundray Bruce, LB, Auburn – Atlanta Falcons 1989: Troy Aikman, QB, UCLA – Dallas Cowboys 1990: Jeff George, QB, Illinois – Indianapolis Colts 1991: Russell Maryland, DT, Miami (FL) – Dallas Cowboys 1992: Steve Emtman, DT, Washington – Indianapolis Colts 1993: Drew Bledsoe, QB, Washington State – New England Patriots 1994: Dan Wilkinson, DT, Ohio State – Cincinnati Bengals 1995: Ki-Jana Carter, RB, Penn State – Cincinnati Bengals 1996: Keyshawn Johnson, WR, USC – New York Jets 1997: Orlando Pace, OT, Ohio State – St. Louis Rams 1998: Peyton Manning, QB, Tennessee – Indianapolis Colts 1999: Tim Couch, QB, Kentucky – Cleveland Browns 2000: Courtney Brown, DE, Penn State – Cleveland Browns 2001: Michael Vick, QB, Virginia Tech – Atlanta Falcons 2002: David Carr, QB, Fresno State – Houston Texans 2003: Carson Palmer, QB, USC – Cincinnati Bengals 2004: Eli Manning, QB, Ole Miss – San Diego Chargers (later traded to the New York Giants) 2005: Alex Smith, QB, Utah – San Francisco 49ers 2006: Mario Williams, DE, NC State – Houston Texans 2007: JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU – Oakland Raiders 2008: Jake Long, OT, Michigan – Miami Dolphins 2009: Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia – Detroit Lions 2010: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma – St. Louis Rams 2011: Cam Newton, QB, Auburn – Carolina Panthers 2012: Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford – Indianapolis Colts 2013: Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan – Kansas City Chiefs 2014: Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina – Houston Texans 2015: Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State – Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2016: Jared Goff, QB, California – Los Angeles Rams 2017: Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M – Cleveland Browns 2018: Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma – Cleveland Browns 2019: Kyler Murray, QB, Oklahoma – Arizona Cardinals 2020: Joe Burrow, QB, LSU – Cincinnati Bengals 2021: Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson – Jacksonville Jaguars 2022: Travon Walker, DE, – Jacksonville Jaguars 2023: Bryce Young, QB, – Carolina Panthers 2024: Not a lot of quarterbacks that were complete busts. Most of the players on this list had great or productive careers. Someone can fact check me, but I counted 28 Super Bowl rings and 7 Super Bowl appearances by players that didn't win a ring.

Author:	Darkside [ Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:49 pm ]
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Brady fucks your bell curve hard dude.

Author:	Nas [ Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:52 pm ]
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Darkside wrote: Brady fucks your bell curve hard dude. He's the great outlier.

Author:	veganfan21 [ Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:56 pm ]
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I think Carr and Couch are the only legit busts. Winston is still better than some starters today despite being a backup.

Author:	Darkside [ Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:56 pm ]
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Nas wrote: Darkside wrote: Brady fucks your bell curve hard dude. He's the great outlier. Your point though is solid. There's some pretty solid overall 1 busts, like Couch or Leaf, but overall #1 qb have a solid record. None of that matters though. What happened in the past. I generally dismiss trends wrt stuff like that.

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Author:	Caller Bob [ Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:56 pm ]
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David Carr, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Jameis Winston, Baker Mayfield, Bryce Young all busts in the last 25 years..that's quite a few

Author:	Darkside [ Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:57 pm ]
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Caller Bob wrote: David Carr, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Jameis Winston, Baker Mayfield, Bryce Young all busts..that's quite a few There's a wide range of bust in there.

Author:	W_Z [ Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:08 pm ]
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veganfan21 wrote: I think Carr and Couch are the only legit busts. Winston is still better than some starters today despite being a backup. JaMarcus is only a bust by the complete idiocy of the Raiders, but he has to be the worst. He should’ve never even been drafted. Rohan Davey and Matt Mauck were better prospects.

Author:	Franky T [ Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:11 pm ]
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Darkside wrote: Caller Bob wrote: David Carr, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Jameis Winston, Baker Mayfield, Bryce Young all busts..that's quite a few There's a wide range of bust in there. Baker Mayfield just took his team team to the playoffs and advanced.

Author:	veganfan21 [ Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:11 pm ]
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W_Z wrote: veganfan21 wrote: I think Carr and Couch are the only legit busts. Winston is still better than some starters today despite being a backup. JaMarcus is only a bust by the complete idiocy of the Raiders, but he has to be the worst. He should’ve never even been drafted. Rohan Davey and Matt Mauck were better prospects. I missed him and Bradford.

Author:	Nas [ Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:13 pm ]
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Franky T wrote: Darkside wrote: Caller Bob wrote: David Carr, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Jameis Winston, Baker Mayfield, Bryce Young all busts..that's quite a few There's a wide range of bust in there. Baker Mayfield just took his team team to the playoffs and advanced. They also gave him a $115M contract. Alex Smith was a solid pro that made a Pro Bowl. I thought Bradford's problem was an injury. The jury is still out on Young, but it's not promising.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:15 pm ]
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Franky T wrote: Darkside wrote: Caller Bob wrote: David Carr, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Jameis Winston, Baker Mayfield, Bryce Young all busts..that's quite a few There's a wide range of bust in there. Baker Mayfield just took his team team to the playoffs and advanced. But the pick is a bust because he was awful for the Browns. Anybody could have signed Baker Mayfield this offseason

Author:	Nas [ Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:19 pm ]
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Caller Bob wrote: Franky T wrote: Darkside wrote: Caller Bob wrote: David Carr, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Jameis Winston, Baker Mayfield, Bryce Young all busts..that's quite a few There's a wide range of bust in there. Baker Mayfield just took his team team to the playoffs and advanced. But the pick is a bust because he was awful for the Browns. Anybody could have signed Baker Mayfield this offseason He wasn't awful for the Browns. He was a productive version of Zach Wilson. MANY of his teammates hated him and the Browns stupidly traded for Watson.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:22 pm ]
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Nas wrote: Caller Bob wrote: Franky T wrote: Darkside wrote: Caller Bob wrote: David Carr, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Jameis Winston, Baker Mayfield, Bryce Young all busts..that's quite a few There's a wide range of bust in there. Baker Mayfield just took his team team to the playoffs and advanced. But the pick is a bust because he was awful for the Browns. Anybody could have signed Baker Mayfield this offseason He wasn't awful for the Browns. He was a productive version of Zach Wilson. MANY of his teammates hated him and the Browns stupidly traded for Watson. He wasn't great. His numbers were Fields like in Cleveland

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:03 am ]
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Alex Smith may not have won a ring as a starting QB, but he is not a bust by any means. 7 playoff starts with 2 different teams, 199 passing TDs, and 35,000 yards in his career. The Bears all time leading passer has 23K yards and 154 TDs Bryce Young has played a grand total of one NFL season. Still has time before you can call him a bust, though he is not off to a good start. viewtopic.php?f=181&t=130389

Author:	Hussra [ Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:45 am ]
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I wouldn't draft any of em with 1st overall. Fine to take most any of 'em further down the board. Six of one, half-dozen of another, or whatever folksy saying Phil Longo used to describe this QB class.

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Author:	Nas [ Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:28 pm ]
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Caller Bob wrote: Nas wrote: Caller Bob wrote: Franky T wrote: Darkside wrote: Caller Bob wrote: David Carr, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Jameis Winston, Baker Mayfield, Bryce Young all busts..that's quite a few There's a wide range of bust in there. Baker Mayfield just took his team team to the playoffs and advanced. But the pick is a bust because he was awful for the Browns. Anybody could have signed Baker Mayfield this offseason He wasn't awful for the Browns. He was a productive version of Zach Wilson. MANY of his teammates hated him and the Browns stupidly traded for Watson. He wasn't great. His numbers were Fields like in Cleveland No, he led a team that had won like 1 game in 2 years to a playoff victory. He gutted out his final year there with a shoulder injury and still threw for 3k yards. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... yfBa00.htm

Author:	This Ends in Antioch [ Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:34 pm ]
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There are tiers to those 1/1 QBs. Sometimes a QB goes first because they’re considered the best player at the position (e.g., Goff). Other times they’re taken 1/1 because they’re no doubters (e.g., Luck). The latter are rarely busts.

Author:	veganfan21 [ Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:35 pm ]
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This Ends in Antioch wrote: There are tiers to those 1/1 QBs. Sometimes a QB goes first because they’re considered the best player at the position (e.g., Goff). Other times they’re taken 1/1 because they’re no doubters (e.g., Luck). The latter are rarely busts. Fields is more talented than Luck and Manning combined.

Author:	Nas [ Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:40 pm ]
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This Ends in Antioch wrote: There are tiers to those 1/1 QBs. Sometimes a QB goes first because they’re considered the best player at the position (e.g., Goff). Other times they’re taken 1/1 because they’re no doubters (e.g., Luck). The latter are rarely busts. Winston is the only one of the latter that recently be considered a bust. He was really productive but couldn't stop throwing as many interceptions as touchdowns.

Author:	Hussra [ Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:58 am ]
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Shade thrown at Tracey Lawrence and JaMarcus Russell, not even worthy of a bold font. Last 25 years 1/1 QB selections are 0-3 in Super Bowl appearances for the teams that drafted them. 0 Super Bowls won for the drafting team among 18 QB's taken 1/1 overall in last 25 years. 3 one-and-done SB appearances on the wrong side - Burrow/Bengals, Goff/Rams, Cam/Panthers Quote: 1999: Tim Couch, QB, Kentucky – Cleveland Browns 2001: Michael Vick, QB, Virginia Tech – Atlanta Falcons 2002: David Carr, QB, Fresno State – Houston Texans 2003: Carson Palmer, QB, USC – Cincinnati Bengals 2004: Eli Manning, QB, Ole Miss – San Diego Chargers 2005: Alex Smith, QB, Utah – San Francisco 49ers 2007: JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU – Oakland Raiders 2009: Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia – Detroit Lions 2010: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma – St. Louis Rams 2011: Cam Newton, QB, Auburn – Carolina Panthers 2012: Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford – Indianapolis Colts 2015: Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State – Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2016: Jared Goff, QB, California – Los Angeles Rams 2018: Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma – Cleveland Browns 2019: Kyler Murray, QB, Oklahoma – Arizona Cardinals 2020: Joe Burrow, QB, LSU – Cincinnati Bengals 2021: Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson – Jacksonville Jaguars 2023: Bryce Young, QB, – Carolina Panthers

Author:	Nas [ Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:09 am ]
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Jameis Winston nearly threw for more passing yards and touchdowns in one season than Fields has for his entire career. He's considered a bust by MANY because he couldn't cut back on the interceptions.

Author:	Hussra [ Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:35 am ]
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18 times in the last 25 years NFL teams and their fans came out of draft day after selecting a QB 1/1 thinking We're goin' to the Super Bowl! and not one of those teams who drafted a QB 1st overall has won a Super Bowl with that QB. 3 teams have had the joy of losing a Super Bowl with their 1/1 QB. Bryce Young ever gets anywhere near the playoffs or wins a Super Bowl it will be with a team not owned by David Tepper. Burrow might still get it done; but he could also end up retiring early due to his chronic injury issues, like Luck. Or the Bengals make the Super Bowl with Burrow injured on the sidelines while Jake Browning QB-cucks his way to a Super Bowl, a la Earl Morrall and Bob Griese.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:36 am ]
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Hussra wrote: 18 times in the last 25 years NFL teams and their fans came out of draft day after selecting a QB 1/1 thinking We're goin' to the Super Bowl! and not one of those teams who drafted a QB 1st overall has won a Super Bowl with that QB. 3 teams have had the joy of losing a Super Bowl with their 1/1 QB. Bryce Young ever gets anywhere near the playoffs or wins a Super Bowl it will be with a team not owned by David Tepper. Burrow might still get it done; but he could also end up retiring early due to his chronic injury issues, like Luck. Or the Bengals make the Super Bowl with Burrow injured on the sidelines while Jake Browning QB-cucks his way to a Super Bowl, a la Earl Morrall and Bob Griese. So what QB are you drafting this year?

Author:	Hawg Ass [ Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:39 am ]
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Couch and Russell are really the only true bust to me. I think Bradford and his shoulder got him but I don’t consider any others a bust

Author:	Hussra [ Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:39 am ]
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Author:	Nas [ Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:41 am ]
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Hussra + NME + Vegan = Match

Author:	Brick [ Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:42 am ]
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Hussra wrote: Do you have a real answer? It's fine that you doubt Williams but who is a better option than him?

Author:	Brick [ Wed Mar 20, 2024 12:09 pm ]
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Almost Everyone: Deepest QB class in recent memory. Hussra: They all suck.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Wed Mar 20, 2024 12:24 pm ]
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Hawg Ass wrote: Couch and Russell are really the only true bust to me. I think Bradford and his shoulder got him but I don’t consider any others a bust You don't consider Winston a bust?