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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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What is the statistic or statistics that determine success of a QB? We seem to differ on that. Without an accord, there can be no bet. Passer rating? TD to INT ratio? Playoff success?

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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There are major questions about Luck after this year. I was a strong believer but you have to wonder if he just isn't going to ever get there.

I'm not concerned. Any athlete who's improved as consistently and clearly as he has their first three pro seasons gets the benefit of the doubt on one injury riddled season. If we are in November of next year and he's still playing like he was this year, I'd agree with you.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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What is the statistic or statistics that determine success of a QB? We seem to differ on that. Without an accord, there can be no bet.

I consider QBR, DYAR, and DVOA to be significantly better than QB rating, but I'm willing to make the wager based on QB rating as well. I think Luck is so superior to Dalton and Stafford that he is basically going to outperform them by every metric available. Call it $100?

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
There are major questions about Luck after this year. I was a strong believer but you have to wonder if he just isn't going to ever get there.

Dont chalk it up to injury this year?

Before this year he was progressing nicely
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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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What is the statistic or statistics that determine success of a QB? We seem to differ on that. Without an accord, there can be no bet.

I consider QBR, DYAR, and DVOA to be significantly better than QB rating, but I'm willing to make the wager based on QB rating as well. I think Luck is so superior to Dalton and Stafford that he is basically going to outperform them by every metric available. Call it $100?

We have until next August to work this out. I'll get back to you. If we were talking about career rating or rating over the course of a period of time, the bet would be easy for me. But within a season, a lot can happen. Stafford next year may not have receivers to throw to, so it would likely be Dalton vs Luck.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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What is the statistic or statistics that determine success of a QB? We seem to differ on that. Without an accord, there can be no bet.

I consider QBR, DYAR, and DVOA to be significantly better than QB rating, but I'm willing to make the wager based on QB rating as well. I think Luck is so superior to Dalton and Stafford that he is basically going to outperform them by every metric available. Call it $100?

We have until next August to work this out. I'll get back to you. If we were talking about career rating or rating over the course of a period of time, the bet would be easy for me. But within a season, a lot can happen. Stafford next year may not have receivers to throw to, so it would likely be Dalton vs Luck.

I think the shorter the sample size, the more you benefit. I'd easily extend it from one season to 3-5 or a career. Like you said, we can revisit it though.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
There are major questions about Luck after this year. I was a strong believer but you have to wonder if he just isn't going to ever get there.

Dont chalk it up to injury this year?

Before this year he was progressing nicely
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It's never good when a player regresses. He still has a lot to prove.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
There are major questions about Luck after this year. I was a strong believer but you have to wonder if he just isn't going to ever get there.

Dont chalk it up to injury this year?

Before this year he was progressing nicely
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Chalk it up to one of the absolutely worst O-lines in NFL history to start the year.

Remember Lance Louis? Starting guard for the Colts this year.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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Still wants Stafford after that mess today, IMU?

Luck has been playing with broken ribs since week 3.

When you get back...I'd like your updated thoughts.


No one would prefer Stafford over Luck if given the choice, but Stafford has been pretty good the last 5 or 6 weeks. I think Stafford deal is up with the Lions after this year. I doubt they re-sign him.

Except everyone that has watched NFL football and isn't stuck in their 2012 belief that Andrew Luck is the next Marino.


Not one NFL GM would take Stafford over Luck right now. Luck has a higher cieling and upside. Stafford is a slightly better version of Cutler. Luck will be a top 10 QB in the NFL for the next 10 years.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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Luck will be a top 10 QB in the NFL for the next 10 years.

And Brett Jackson is Mike Trout.

Based on what? Our respective fantasies?

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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I'm thinking, well, at least I'll push on this game unless Luck throws a pick 6. Found another way to aggravate me.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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Luck is in a pretty similar position when the bears got cutler.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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Luck's fine. Best defense in the NFL makes a lot of QBs look like shit. Luck did alright last week. Probably needs Pagano to get fired to significantly improve though.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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Luck is in a pretty similar position when the bears got cutler.




Luck is much better, he's been hit more than any other QB in the NFL since he's been in the league..and that's including the games he's missed..his line and run game are pretty lousy.

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Luck is in a pretty similar position when the bears got cutler.




Luck is much better, he's been hit more than any other QB in the NFL since he's been in the league..and that's including the games he's missed..his line and run game are pretty lousy.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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Luck is in a pretty similar position when the bears got cutler.




Luck is much better, he's been hit more than any other QB in the NFL since he's been in the league..and that's including the games he's missed..his line and run game are pretty lousy.


You might want to review news clips of Cutler in Denver. You just make up your mind about shit and spout.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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Luck isn't a bad QB, he's just nowhere near as great as he was anointed by the media almost immediately. Also the stuff about having no line or help is rubbish since the line "magically" played better as soon as he went out last year. That suggests their sack rate has as much to do with the QB holding onto the ball as anything else.

It's ultimately pretty similar to the same biases the media holds for other quarterbacks. Fitzpatrick, a mediocre journeyman at best, is suddenly "Namath-esque" due to one game on Thursday. Cousins, who's never beaten a winning team in his career and is currently playing in a training wheel offense due to his propensity to throw interceptions otherwise, is still a winner with a strong head and intangibles. Carson Wentz is about be anointed the next Brady for beating the Browns and the Bears.


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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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Their line is objectively bad. Most teams dumb down their offense and use shorter drops and quicker reads with backups, which would affect the sack rate as much or more than Luck holding on to the ball.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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Luck is in a pretty similar position when the bears got cutler.




Luck is much better, he's been hit more than any other QB in the NFL since he's been in the league..and that's including the games he's missed..his line and run game are pretty lousy.


You might want to review news clips of Cutler in Denver. You just make up your mind about shit and spout.




I was pissed the day Cutler trade was announced, I thought he was nothing special in Denver..Dan McNeil was the only voice of reason that day on the Score... Lemme know when that bitch Cutty throws 40 TDs and 16 picks in a season..

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pittmike wrote:
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Luck is in a pretty similar position when the bears got cutler.




Luck is much better, he's been hit more than any other QB in the NFL since he's been in the league..and that's including the games he's missed..his line and run game are pretty lousy.


You might want to review news clips of Cutler in Denver. You just make up your mind about shit and spout.




I was pissed the day Cutler trade was announced, I thought he was nothing special in Denver..Dan McNeil was the only voice of reason that day on the Score... Lemme know when that bitch Cutty throws 40 TDs and 16 picks in a season..


Let me know when media darling Luck ever does it again.

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Luck is in a pretty similar position when the bears got cutler.




Luck is much better, he's been hit more than any other QB in the NFL since he's been in the league..and that's including the games he's missed..his line and run game are pretty lousy.


You might want to review news clips of Cutler in Denver. You just make up your mind about shit and spout.




I was pissed the day Cutler trade was announced, I thought he was nothing special in Denver..Dan McNeil was the only voice of reason that day on the Score... Lemme know when that bitch Cutty throws 40 TDs and 16 picks in a season..


Let me know when media darling Luck ever does it again.

Through two games this year he is on pace for exactly 40 TDs and 16 INTs.

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I have not got a chance to watch Luck yet this year.

But he definitely seems like a disappointment from what he was built up to be.

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Luck turned 27 in September. Matt Stafford is 28.

Surprising to to realize Stafford is only a one age above in seasons played.


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I have not got a chance to watch Luck yet this year.

But he definitely seems like a disappointment from what he was built up to be.





He's a one man show, the guy is pretty damn good and he's got no help.

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Andrew Luck has injury setback, Colts won't promise that he'll return in 2017


Exactly two weeks after returning to practice, Colts quarterback Andrew Luck has hit a giant setback in his rehab.
Colts general manager Chris Ballard announced on Wednesday that Luck is dealing with some shoulder soreness that's been so painful the quarterback had to be given a cortisone shot. The soreness will keep Luck out of practice for the rest of the week, and possibly longer.
According to Ballard, Luck's recovery was coming along as scheduled before this week's complication.
"In terms of rehab, it's going well," Ballard said, via the team's official website. "You've seen him throw, I've watched every session of him throwing and it's been going really well: His velocity is good, his motion is good, all that is coming along at a good rate. It's the soreness right now that we're dealing with and that we have to get through."
After the soreness hit, the team decided that shutting Luck down for the immediate future was the best long-term move for the organization.
"We're going to try to shut him down and calm it down for right now," Ballard said. "His long term success is what we're looking for. Much like with any player, that's what's important to us."
One question Ballard refused to answer was whether or not Luck would actually end up playing this season. Although the Colts still have 10 games to play over the next two and a half months, Ballard ducked the question when asked if Luck would be back on the field this year.
"I don't want to speculate right now," Ballard said. "I'm not going to put a timeline on that."
Ballard did add that the team currently has no plans to place Luck on injured reserve, which would end his season.
Luck was asked by NFL.com on Monday if he might be able to play by November, and all he would say is that there's no timetable for his return. Although Luck has been practicing with the Colts off and on since Oct. 4, he's come nowhere close to being game ready.
The Colts quarterback hasn't played in a game since December 2016, and it's slowly starting to look like we might not see him on the field again until the 2018 season. The setback in Luck's recovery this week came almost exactly 10 months after he originally underwent shoulder surgery in January.
With Luck out indefinitely, that means the Colts will move forward with Jacoby Brissett as their starting quarterback. The former Patriots backup quarterback has started five games for Indy since being acquired in a September trade that sent Phillip Dorsett to New England.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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Nothing devastating IMO, to the Colts. Brissett is admirable. Let him build value this year. Man they fucked New England over on that trade. What's going on with Beliciek? He's been making some bad deals of late.


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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Luck
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Is this a surprise? They clearly expected this when they traded for Brisset. Sorry to say, but Luck’s career is over. Ended up being very overrated. His OL was always awful, but he still didn’t live up to the hype.

Still better than any Bears QB ever.


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So MVP race is pretty much Brady, Wentz, and Wilson.

Kamara is easily the front runner for OROY.

I think Lattimore is the DROY. When’s the last time teammates won that?

DPOY? Idk. DeMarcus Lawrence doesn’t feel right.

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