One of the things that makes me chuckle about people considering whether Newton "deserves" to be the MVP is imagining how much they'd be slobbering Luck if he was the one in that position. Given how the media rushed to anoint him as a top 3 quarterback just for making the playoffs from the worst division in football in previous seasons, I imagine he'd already be a first-ballot lock for Canton if he'd started this season 14-0.

Still wants Stafford after that mess today, IMU?

Luck has been playing with broken ribs since week 3.

When you get back...I'd like your updated thoughts.

No one would prefer Stafford over Luck if given the choice, but Stafford has been pretty good the last 5 or 6 weeks. I think Stafford deal is up with the Lions after this year. I doubt they re-sign him.

When you get back...I'd like your updated thoughts.

Except everyone that has watched NFL football and isn't stuck in their 2012 belief that Andrew Luck is the next Marino.

This is clearly a lost season for Luck, but he is certainly going to be better than Stafford going forward. Who do you think will have the better QB rating/QBR between the two going forward? Barring chronic injuries, Luck will outperform Stafford over the next year, few years, and both their careers. He's simply better. You're way off base on this one.

Except he has had one good season out of his four. What is the indicator that he will suddenly be better than Stafford, who has had many really good years. If we're in the business of removing injury years, Stafford has a career 88.1 rating. Luck, excluding this year, has an 86.6 rating.

Additionally, Stafford has been trending up for 4 seasons. He is suddenly going to lose it?

Why is Luck anointed and Dalton and Stafford are just having a single good year?

Over the first 4-5 years of their respective careers, all three of these QB's are doing better than Manning's first 5 seasons. Why is Luck a must have QB and Dalton and Stafford are not?

Yeah...see the thing is is that I watch the games also. And since I have statistics that back up my thoughts and you have absolutely nothing besides 'I feel that...' or 'it seems like...'

I'm really not inclined to give Luck credit for regular season wins over Stafford due to how much better the latter's division has been. Green Bay's presence alone has made it a far tougher task to win the North, but beyond that even the Bears and Vikings at their worst weren't as bad as Jacksonville or Tennessee have been at various points of Luck's career.

Fair enough. Everything else is still pointing towards Luck being better in the future than Stafford or Dalton.

QBR

What is "everything else?"

What is considered a healthy 16 games?

No one would prefer Stafford over Luck if given the choice, but Stafford has been pretty good the last 5 or 6 weeks. I think Stafford deal is up with the Lions after this year. I doubt they re-sign him.

Only ESPN uses QBR, and only because they invented it. QBR is far more criticized than even MLB's WAR is.

Results are what matters. Passer rating judges things that happen. Passes completed, passes attempted, touchdowns, interceptions, etc. Actual, valid statistics.

QBR "analyzes" (what is the formula? What is factored in? Please Dilfer, let us know) and tries to compare one incompletion to another? Sure, both Tyrod and Cousins missed their receiver....but Tyrod was under more pressure so his throw was harder and therefore we'll count it as a completion. What? The? Fuck?

Passer rating is more like OPS.

QBR is like WAR...if the statisticians behind bWAR and fWAR were way more secretive about the formula... and they tried to judge one pop-up flyout as better than another pop-up flyout.

But you're trusting....who?.... to tell you which completions and which incompletions are better than others? And that entity refuses to disclose any information as to how they come up with these ratings. And then you have Charlie Batch going 12-17 with 3 TD and 2 INT and he has a 99.9 out of 100 QBR for that game? 12-17 with 3 TD and 2 INT is the best game ever?

When you sort WAR and OPS, it makes sense.

When you sort passer rating and then you sort QBR and you put them side by side...passer rating makes way more sense. The statistics and the 'eye test' put passer rating's list way closer to the top QB's than QBR does.