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Author:  Brick [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Prediction: Evan Turner will be a better pro than John W
immessedup17 wrote:
The assist represents a successful possession. A rebound does not.
No. Points represent a successful possession. Assists simply describe an action that occurred during the possession. We could just as easily create a "rebound that lead to points" statistic but it would be similarly non-descriptive because it's not the important part of the equation.
Author:  Brick [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:22 pm ]
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immessedup17 wrote:
Assist = 2 or 3 points
Rebound = sometimes points, sometimes not.
Even the best teams score on less than 50% of possessions.
I'll let FavreFan rip this apart but I think you are wrong. 17 teams have an offensive efficiency over 100, which means that they score over a point a possession. I'll let you guess how a team can shoot under 50% and score over a point a possession.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:27 pm ]
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Here are the rates for this season with the teams Rank in Wins in parentheses


Top 5 Rebounding differential leaders

1 Chicago (1st)
2 LA Lakers (6th)
3 LA Clippers (7th)
4 Oklahoma City (2nd)
5 Miami (3rd)




Top 5 Assists leaders

1 Denver (13th)
2 Chicago (1st)
3 Boston (14th)
4 San Antonio (4th)
5 Phoenix (23rd)
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:35 pm ]
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immessedup17 wrote:
Apples to Oranges.

Rebounds Per Game:

1. Chicago (1st)
2. Lakers (7th)
3. Minnesota (15th)
4. Indiana (6th)
5. Sacramento (27th)


League record in parenthesis.

I thought the argument was rebounding rates (what I posted) vs Assists?


Rates are always a better indicator than totals. A team can get a ton of rebounds if they give up a ton of shots and possessions.


Teams that outrebound their opponent win more often than teams that out assist their opponent.
Author:  Brick [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:38 pm ]
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immessedup17 wrote:
On average. That doesn't mean they score at least one point on x amount of possessions.
Well, and I'm sure FavreFan can help me out because he knows about it but there are other measures such as true shooting percentage which indicates that it's highly likely that there are at least a few NBA teams that get a point in at least 50% of possessions.
immessedup17 wrote:
Obviously, a 3 pointer made on 1 possession...and 2 turnovers would be a '100' using that efficiency calculator.
Yes, this is an example of how they could not. However, making one out of two free throws would have the opposite effect.

If I had to wager, I would predict that the Heat score at least 50% of the the possessions they have since they are scoring at a 107.9 rate.
Author:  Brick [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Prediction: Evan Turner will be a better pro than John W
I didn't have much of a choice so I watched the 76ers-Celtics game yesterday and Turner looked really good. Now, I know this was probably his best game as a pro but he was scoring in the flow of the game pretty easily.
Author:  Bagels [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:38 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I didn't have much of a choice so I watched the 76ers-Celtics game yesterday and Turner looked really good. Now, I know this was probably his best game as a pro but he was scoring in the flow of the game pretty easily.


I was waiting to see who would post about this.... :lol:

I agree though, he did look really good. Also bear in mind only his 2nd start this year. Yes his first start was rather disastrous. But, while one game certainly isn't evidence of much, it does show given minutes he can produce. I think another positive thing about him is even in the games he doesn't score or plays only 20 minutes, he still contributes elsewhere- rebounding, passing, steals.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:10 am ]
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Meanwhile

John Wall was 1-8 with 4 pts and 5 turnovers
Author:  Douchebag [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:11 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Meanwhile

John Wall was 1-8 with 4 pts and 5 turnovers

And his team beat the Lakers.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:13 am ]
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Douchebag wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Meanwhile

John Wall was 1-8 with 4 pts and 5 turnovers

And his team beat the Lakers.

Bailed out by Roger Mason
Author:  Brick [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:15 am ]
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In 5 of the 9 wins they have Wall has scored 13 or less.
Author:  Bagels [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:15 am ]
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Douchebag wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Meanwhile

John Wall was 1-8 with 4 pts and 5 turnovers

And his team beat the Lakers.


How could that be FF????
Author:  Douchebag [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:17 am ]
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Bagels wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Meanwhile

John Wall was 1-8 with 4 pts and 5 turnovers

And his team beat the Lakers.


How could that be FF????

It's really pathetic that the Lakers lost back-to-back games to the Pistons and Wizards. That's a whole lot of bad right there.
Author:  Brick [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:18 am ]
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immessedup17 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
In 5 of the 9 wins they have Wall has scored 13 or less.

What are his assist numbers in those games?
About what he normally does.
Author:  Bagels [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:20 am ]
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See, that's why i don't know how some people like Barkley can be so dismissive of a team like the Wolves making the playoffs. 3-8 place are separated by 3 games. there's going to be a lot of fluctuation. The Lakers as you said just had 2 bad losses, the Clippers lost to the Nets last night...meanwhile the Wolves have had some solid wins. nothing is really assured.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:22 am ]
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Bagels wrote:
See, that's why i don't know how some people like Barkley can be so dismissive .

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Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:37 pm ]
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I'm glad I decided to hold off on my "So Evan Turner is basically Landry Fields?" post.
Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:43 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
In 5 of the 9 wins they have Wall has scored 13 or less.

His scoring average in wins is still about the same as losses.
Author:  Bagels [ Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:50 pm ]
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Turner is having another huge game today and there's still the entire 4th quarter left to be played
clearly he needed to get an opportunity and get consistent minutes which he now is
Author:  FavreFan [ Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:37 pm ]
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Yeah, 24-15 is hard to ignore.
Author:  Bagels [ Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:58 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Yeah, 24-15 is hard to ignore.


he's shooting well, playing with confidence....it's nice to see
Author:  FavreFan [ Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:03 pm ]
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Bagels wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Yeah, 24-15 is hard to ignore.


he's shooting well, playing with confidence....it's nice to see

I didn't see it, was watching the UNC/FSU game, but I'm gonna make it a point to check out some Philly games this week.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:51 am ]
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Keeping Score wrote:
Quote:
Zach Lowe‏@ZachLowe_SI


Evan Turner is on pace for by far the highest defensive rebounding rate for a guard in NBA history.



:shock:

Turner > Wall
Author:  Brick [ Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:13 am ]
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Yeah! At least for a week I don't look like an idiot!
Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:38 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Yeah! At least for a week I don't look like an idiot!

It's possible I'll end up owing you a full apology. If that's the case though I won't duck it like BD and Bills. I'm gonna check him out this week.
Author:  Bagels [ Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:44 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Yeah! At least for a week I don't look like an idiot!

It's possible I'll end up owing you a full apology. If that's the case though I won't duck it like BD and Bills. I'm gonna check him out this week.


not that it really means much, but I do think they've emerged as the 3rd best team in the East
Pacers have faded, Knicks are imploding, Hawks still without Horford...and even if the Magic do keep Howard can't see them doing anything either
Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:32 pm ]
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I'm not sure Philly can beat Orlando in a 7 game series if Dwight is motivated. It all depends on how they shoot I suppose but Philly certainly has the better long term outlook. I would really love to see a Philly/Indy playoff series. Outside of maybe a SA/Dallas matchup that could be the best first round series.
Author:  W_Z [ Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:41 am ]
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philly won't beat any of the other top teams in the east. they could beat the pacers, the hawks, etc...as i think i said somewhere else, they'll win 1 playoff series if they get the right matchup, and that'll be it. they still need to grow.
Author:  Bagels [ Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:47 am ]
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W_Z wrote:
philly won't beat any of the other top teams in the east. they could beat the pacers, the hawks, etc...as i think i said somewhere else, they'll win 1 playoff series if they get the right matchup, and that'll be it. they still need to grow.


i think they'll win their 1st round matchup for sure assuming they have home court. i don't think they can beat the Bulls or Heat either in 7 games, but it would not be a pushover
Author:  Douchebag [ Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:18 am ]
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immessedup17 wrote:
Troof be told, I'm still more worried about the Pacers than the 6ers in the playoffs.

The Pacers will goon it up just like last year, but will ultimately be defeated. I'd like to see them draw the Heat in the 1st round and hopefully rough them up a bit.
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