When they played together Cleveland let Livingston walk.

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Better start backtracking now, or you'll be out of options.

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Do you really want to claim that Reggie Miller could play D? If you do then you don't know as much about the NBA as you claim to. Once again, players don't "duck" assignments - coaches determine who guards who. Steve Kerr would be an idiot if he let Curry guard Irving 100% of the time, even if Curry was a good defender.

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Stop with the nonsense. Star players have always had the ability to take covers, particularly if the guy plays the same position. When they were matched up together Westbrook clearly outplayed him Curry couldn't guard him. Westbrook covered Curry the entire series. That kills the argument.

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Yes, this is exactly the point
You don't play for bragging rights or to see who's more macho , you play to win the fucking game
Currys energy is obv best utilized on offense , something ltg can't grasp apparently

Don't drink the Curry Kool aid for the entirety of your existence. Hate to see you go out Jim Jones style as a result.

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Bad.

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Ok, Curry had one game where he scored 19, every other game he scored 26/28/30+, so maybe Westbrook shouldn't have guarded him

And in the deciding game 7 he let curry score 36 ?

Even you have to admit that is but yet another game where Curry isn't the best player on the court. When you start talking about top 20 all time or best in the game now that has to be taken into account.

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Part of the reality you're ignoring are fouls and the foul limit. The point is to keep star offensive players away from opposing players who penetrate or otherwise are good at drawing fouls. As Bagels and LYK said, this isn't a one on one matchup - it's about winning the game, not winning the individual matchup. This is sort of like people advocating for a president who can convincingly "stare down Putin," as if statecraft is handled in a fucking MMA ring. The game is more complex than you're suggesting it is.

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Yea you're right, I think that kills the argument

He didn't really get it going til they took Westbrook off of him. If you are now attempting to argue that he outplayed Westbrook you'd be wrong. They took him off Westbrook which illustrated that we was getting thoroughly outplayed.

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Also, LTG, please proceed with your defense of Reggie Miller's defense. I'd like to hear how Miller's inability to guard a scrub like Ricky Davis doesn't contradict your assertion that star players, in order to qualify as stars, must shut down or guard or whatever the player they're matched up against.

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Once again lowering the pitcher's mound. The matchup was dominated by Westbrook. It was obvious to everyone including Kerr.Don't know about Miller/Davis but something tells me it was exactly a marquee one. How many times did Ricky Davis outplay Miller. I also remember Bonzi Wells giving Kobe Bryant fits but that doesn't mean he was better. Westbrook is a top 5 player which makes it different than the other two examples. Plus I'd have to see what Miller did in the matchup

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He covered him the whole series

He didn't really get it going til they took Westbrook off him


Pick a lane

It does call into question debates about greatest players arguments. If you are customarily outplayed during marquee match ups then you are not the greatest anything. That is my point. Jordan is not considered the greatest simply because of the 6 championships the Bulls won. He was considered the greatest because of the level of dominance he exhibited individually.This is the best example I can provide.

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I'm not going to pick a lane when you're one of the guys making injury or fatigue excuses when he was stinking the joint up. When they were matched head to head Westbrook murdered him and all the analysts stated it. I'm tapping out on this one will be back for game two.

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That Westbrook off him was a misstatement. Westbrook guarded Curry the entire series. Curry checked out after game 4.

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And he did a fine job on him in game 7 getting torched for 36 when everything was on the line

Anything after game 4 was irrelevant. It's easy to do all that when you get to rest against Andre Robertson. I noticed all the talk about injuries and fatigue just sort of evaporated. That is what Van Gundy was addressing too. Once he backed off Westbrook the match up was dead. It is what is known as the game within a game. The next time people start talking greatest this or that remember that is all I'm saying. The great ones don't duck, unless you are Iverson.

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So...westbrooks ability to guard curry is based on who curry is guarding ?
Can I have some of that weed ?

That may have been the greatest shot I've ever heard in a national tv broadcast. (sorry if it's been mentioned before, I haven't read the last page or two of this thread)

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

Are you arguing that Curry outplayed Westbrook? Let's get clarification. Sometimes it's quite necessary.

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That's why I roll with Van Gundy. He will disregard the narrative and call it for what it is.

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Yes, Curry outplayed Westbrook. Is that clear enough for you ? Here are the series stats

Westbrook: 39.5% FG, 31.7% 3PT, 81.9% FT, 7.0 RPG, 11.3 APG, 3.7 STL, 4.4 TO, 26.7 PPG
Curry: 44.3% FG, 41.5% 3PT, 88.6% FT, 6.3 RPG, 5.9 APG, 2.1 STL, 4.0 TO, 27.9 PPG

So, Curry shot better across the board. Westbrook had more assists and steals

Your entire argument hinges on the fact that Curry didn't guard Westbrook for the entire series. You seem to giving Westbrook "credit" for guarding Curry the whole series, even though Curry scored 36 in the most crucial game of all. If Westbrook is such a stud defender why couldn't he stop Curry when it mattered most ? It doesn't matter if he guarded him the whole series if he can't stop him....and finally Westbrook was one of the two best players on a team that had a choke job of epic proportions. that matters

van gundy is a fucking troll

When they were matched up head to head Westbrook destroyed him. Every and I mean every commentator stated it. The second they had to switch Thompson onto him the "matchup" was effectively over.

As I remember you were one of the people making excuses. Either he was hurt tired or both. Nothing was hurt on him other than his pride. I correctly stated that he'd play better once they took him off Westbrook. Obviously he did. There is no matchup if he is not guarding Westbrook. Kerr did what he had to do to win the series. Thompson was the reason for the weakening of the numbers, not Curry. Thompson also is the person most responsible for saving their season, not Curry.

You and others can spin it anyway you want, but it is clear that Westbrook outplayed Curry head to head. Indisputable.

Yes I do give more weight to a guy that takes the cover andguards his position. There is no honor in lauding a guy who they have to hide by placing him on Anthony Robertson.

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The Finals started guys