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| Author: | Joe Orr Road Rod [ Tue Jul 04, 2023 1:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
Nardi wrote: The ball handling and shooting skills speak for themselves. It's easier to handle the ball when you're allowed to carry on every dribble. Nardi wrote: It's not Bill Russell's fault no one knew the height of the skill level ceiling. Think about this. No one really jumped in the air to block shots before him. False. Bill Russell played against more big Hall of Fame centers than have played in the last ten years. The idea that he was jumping center against a bunch of 6'0" white dentists and insurance salesmen is the thing that's not true. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Jul 04, 2023 2:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Nardi wrote: The ball handling and shooting skills speak for themselves. It's easier to handle the ball when you're allowed to carry on every dribble. Nardi wrote: It's not Bill Russell's fault no one knew the height of the skill level ceiling. Think about this. No one really jumped in the air to block shots before him. False. Bill Russell played against more big Hall of Fame centers than have played in the last ten years. The idea that he was jumping center against a bunch of 6'0" white dentists and insurance salesmen is the thing that's not true. Jerry West was the best player on the floor in any stadium in his prime. It was because he was a modern player and did modern things. Yes, I know, he didn't ever beat Bill Russell.... and pitchers 'lose' games 3-2. |
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| Author: | shakes [ Wed Jul 05, 2023 7:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
Ron Wolfley wrote: This thread is fake news based on the first 2 posts. Walt and FF listing guys like LeBron and Durant and Embiid, you'd think they're auditioning for Shannon Sharpe's spot on Undisputed. Embiid is 100% overrated. He has the MVP award to prove it. |
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| Author: | Ron Wolfley [ Wed Jul 05, 2023 10:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
shakes wrote: Ron Wolfley wrote: This thread is fake news based on the first 2 posts. Walt and FF listing guys like LeBron and Durant and Embiid, you'd think they're auditioning for Shannon Sharpe's spot on Undisputed. Embiid is 100% overrated. He has the MVP award to prove it. 
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| Author: | Ron Wolfley [ Wed Jul 05, 2023 10:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
Hussra wrote: 1. Victor Wembanyama 2. Scoot Henderson 3. Rudy Gobert 4. Chet Holmgren 5. Fred VanVleet Now we're talking. I've got Austin Reaves on my list. Jaylen Brown too. That dude can't dribble. If the Celtics have balls they call Portland and get a deal done for Lillard. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jul 05, 2023 11:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
shakes wrote: Ron Wolfley wrote: This thread is fake news based on the first 2 posts. Walt and FF listing guys like LeBron and Durant and Embiid, you'd think they're auditioning for Shannon Sharpe's spot on Undisputed. Embiid is 100% overrated. He has the MVP award to prove it. And once again came up very short in the playoffs. Nailed that Embiid one. Jokic is separating himself nicely from that dumb debate. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Wed Jul 05, 2023 11:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
Embiid is the new Carmelo - wake me up when he gets out of the second round. Melo did it once in 18 years. Let's let Embiid at least match Melo before we start salivating over his supposed greatness. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Wed Jul 05, 2023 12:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
i'm on the bandwagon, Embiid sucks |
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| Author: | shakes [ Wed Jul 05, 2023 1:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
Bagels wrote: i'm on the bandwagon, Embiid sucks He's a great player, but still vastly overrated. Only received the MVP award due to skin color. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Wed Jul 05, 2023 2:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
shakes wrote: Bagels wrote: i'm on the bandwagon, Embiid sucks He's a great player, but still vastly overrated. Only received the MVP award due to skin color. One thing many people forget to mention about Embiid is that, unlike Jordan, Shaq, Russell, etc., Embiid has never lost a conference finals game. That should end the discussion imo. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Wed Jul 05, 2023 2:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
he's too in love with having an outside game, shaking & baking should be backing people down and shooting over them like 99.9% of the time. |
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| Author: | rajingsoul [ Wed Jul 05, 2023 3:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
All of today's bugs are overrated, minus Jokic. He has revolutionized the game and would have done so in any era, on offense. He would struggle defensively against the Bigs of the past. They may be better 3-point shooters or ballhandlers, but very few are rim protectors or are a mismatch on offense. The rules have sort of dictated what the talent today is, but it's not better or worse. It's just different. And much less fun to watch, IMO. |
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| Author: | Ron Wolfley [ Wed Jul 05, 2023 4:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
Bagels wrote: he's too in love with having an outside game, shaking & baking should be backing people down and shooting over them like 99.9% of the time. How would you defend Embiid as an opposing coach? Would you let him go 1 on 1 in the post? |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Wed Jul 05, 2023 4:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
Ron Wolfley wrote: Bagels wrote: he's too in love with having an outside game, shaking & baking should be backing people down and shooting over them like 99.9% of the time. How would you defend Embiid as an opposing coach? Would you let him go 1 on 1 in the post? I would just qualify for the conference finals so I know I don't have to worry about him. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Wed Jul 05, 2023 6:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
He reminds me of Garnett in that sense I’d be frustrated that seemingly every time KG was in the post he was doing something good, but he’d settle for lazy outside shots way too often |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Wed Jul 05, 2023 6:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
Ron Wolfley wrote: Bagels wrote: he's too in love with having an outside game, shaking & baking should be backing people down and shooting over them like 99.9% of the time. How would you defend Embiid as an opposing coach? Would you let him go 1 on 1 in the post? No I'd let him shoot the three and handle the ball cause he is a turnover waiting to happen. |
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| Author: | Hussra [ Thu Jul 06, 2023 7:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
Embiid 5-2 vs Jokic....that's a series win plus one |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
Shakes gonna drop by and bolster that by reminding us Embiid has a pristine conference finals W/L record. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
Read the other day Jokic was attending championship parades while Embiid was working on his game. That right there tells you the difference. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
Hussra wrote: Embiid 5-2 vs Jokic....that's a series win plus one one of the more worthless stats I have seen in awhile. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
RFDC wrote: Hussra wrote: Embiid 5-2 vs Jokic....that's a series win plus one one of the more worthless stats I have seen in awhile. like wins for pitchers |
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| Author: | Ron Wolfley [ Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
Walt Williams Neck wrote: Ron Wolfley wrote: Bagels wrote: he's too in love with having an outside game, shaking & baking should be backing people down and shooting over them like 99.9% of the time. How would you defend Embiid as an opposing coach? Would you let him go 1 on 1 in the post? No Exactly. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
Ron Wolfley wrote: Walt Williams Neck wrote: Ron Wolfley wrote: Bagels wrote: he's too in love with having an outside game, shaking & baking should be backing people down and shooting over them like 99.9% of the time. How would you defend Embiid as an opposing coach? Would you let him go 1 on 1 in the post? No Exactly. at some point it shouldn't matter. You know what i'm doing, but you just can't stop it. Doesn't matter how its defended. |
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| Author: | Ron Wolfley [ Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Most Overrated Players |
Bagels wrote: Ron Wolfley wrote: Walt Williams Neck wrote: Ron Wolfley wrote: Bagels wrote: he's too in love with having an outside game, shaking & baking should be backing people down and shooting over them like 99.9% of the time. How would you defend Embiid as an opposing coach? Would you let him go 1 on 1 in the post? No Exactly. at some point it shouldn't matter. You know what i'm doing, but you just can't stop it. Doesn't matter how its defended. 
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