I'm on record with B&B

I missed this thread the first time around, but I'm on record with B&B thinking Turner will end up being a poor top ten pick, let alone the #2. He does nothing spectacular, no big leaping ability or shooting ability, no extra quickness etc. Not sure what people saw in him in college. I was very underwhelmed.

someone check the tapes

You will be wrong if you think he will be a poor top ten pick. He's going to be at worst a solid starter in this league for a long time. He's had some good games and some games where he was worthless. It often takes players some time to adjust to the NBA game. I think at worst he'll be good for 15+ points a game and 6+ rebounds a game. He won't be a superstar with those numbers but they can hardly be classified as poor.

I've heard some "experts" already claim that John Wall is better than the Bulls' own Derrick Rose on the point. I'm not so sure I believe that.

Noted NBA guru Chris in Joliet had this prediction weeks ago.

Farve Fan laughed at him.

For the first time since the season started last year I think I've got a shot here. It's more on Wall than Turner though but that was part of my original argument.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/before-the-wizards-john-wall-can-lead-he-needs-to-work-on-his-game/2012/01/05/gIQAmD6gdP_story.html

Werent B and B or at least the older B in Mokena projecting Wall to be better than D. Rose.


What happened to this kid anyway?

Many people were. Coaching has made a big difference. Flip Saunders is an awful coach and I'm not sure Rose would've made the leap with VDN still coaching him.

John Wall is clearly a much better player than Turner.

If the 76ers could swap those two straight up they wouldn't hesitate to do so. I'm pretty sure I'd take Wesley Johnson, Favors, and Cousins over Turner also. Turner just isn't good, the others are still unknowns.

Jannero Pargo only has 18 career starts. I don't think he has gotten a fair shot at starting and being a featured guy either. We shouldn't close the book on him, he could be a star.

But he never got a chance, man! What if Turner never gets a chance. We'll never know...

JBills vibe.

JBills vibe.

My whole point was that it's too early to close the book on Turner like FavreFan wants to do.

Turner may never get the chance, but it's too early to say that we already know what he is.

Hahahaha... You love me Brick... Its so fucking funny...

Why? You often cite advanced statistics but you seem to want to ignore how bad Wall is using those. I agree that Wall is more talented but the league is filled with talented players who don't translate to wins. In fact, the Wizards had another one in Arenas.
Why can't Evan Turner get better too? We haven't even seen Turner get a chance at starting yet and being a featured guy and yet you already have closed the book on him?

This seems just like Turner's college career. He seems to be better year after year. Eventually, you look and he's the best guy on your team. That may not happen this year though.

I'm not sure why you think I cite advanced statistics all the time. I have before, but certainly not often.

The reason the other guys I mentioned are still unknowns is the same reason everyone thought Turner would be much better out of the gate. He was supposedly NBA ready. But unlike the other guys he doesn't appear to have all-world athleticism or potential. He doesn't have an elite skill at this level and he actually does appear to have a good work ethic(based on interviews and hearsay), so it doesn't seem to be a lack of effort on his part. He just isn't very good.

I think Turner could improve slightly but I don't think he will have a big leap that we typically see from top picks over the course of their rookie contracts. I'm fairly confident he will never be an All Star and that his ceiling is a solid starter. His best chance to make a real impact is to focus as much on defense as possible because he does have All Defensive team potential if he works hard on that end but I just don't see anything from him that leads me to believe he will be better than Wall all around. If Wall was paired with Adelman or Carlisle I think this discussion would look very silly very quickly. But even if he never reaches his potential it would take an Arenas-esque fall from grace for Turner to end up as the better pro. Unlike Arenas though, Wall is a willing, gifted passer. That combined with his athleticism(Rose's level), and it's hard seeing him not getting better.