Never thought this would turn into an Olynyck/Beal duel
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Mon May 15, 2017 8:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
Holy shit the Celtics cheerleaders... They make the loveables look amatuer |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Mon May 15, 2017 8:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
Beal playing some inspired ball for the first time ever pretty much. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Mon May 15, 2017 9:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
John I take horrible shots wall. Drive the ball you fuckin moron. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Mon May 15, 2017 9:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
Never thought this would turn into an Olynyck/Beal duel
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Mon May 15, 2017 9:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
Seriously, I can't believe what I'm seeing. Kelly fuckin Olynyck |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Mon May 15, 2017 9:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
He is destroying Morris. However the hell he wants it. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Mon May 15, 2017 9:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
FavreFan wrote: Seriously, I can't believe what I'm seeing. Kelly fuckin Olynyck It is crazy. but as they say in game 7 usually it comes down to some role player going off. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Mon May 15, 2017 9:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
Rough night for the "Wall is better than Butler" argument |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Mon May 15, 2017 9:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
Wall is about the same as Butler. Wall has more ability but Butler is a little smarter player. Not by much though |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Mon May 15, 2017 9:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
Butler's way smarter and a much better two way player. He's definitely better than John Wall. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Mon May 15, 2017 11:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
FavreFan wrote: Butler's way smarter and a much better two way player. He's definitely better than John Wall. Bad troll job. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Mon May 15, 2017 11:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
Not trolling at all. If given a choice to build around either I wouldn't hesitate to choose Butler. The advanced stats favor him across the board and so does the eye test. Wall gets lost on defense and turns it over way too much on offense. Also has questionable shot selection obviously. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Tue May 16, 2017 5:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
I'm not the biggest Wall fan but he is a better player than Jimmy Butler. He didn't play well last night but Washington doesn't get there without him. Butler might not have been the most impactful player on his own team. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Tue May 16, 2017 6:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
long time guy wrote: I'm not the biggest Wall fan but he is a better player than Jimmy Butler. He didn't play well last night but Washington doesn't get there without him. Butler made not have been the most impactful player on his own team. Agreed, if I'm picking a team and my options are Wall or Butler..I'm taking Wall. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Tue May 16, 2017 6:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
312player wrote: long time guy wrote: I'm not the biggest Wall fan but he is a better player than Jimmy Butler. He didn't play well last night but Washington doesn't get there without him. Butler made not have been the most impactful player on his own team. Agreed, if I'm picking a team and my options are Wall or Butler..I'm taking Wall. Yep. He is more impactful than Butler. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Tue May 16, 2017 7:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
long time guy wrote: 312player wrote: long time guy wrote: I'm not the biggest Wall fan but he is a better player than Jimmy Butler. He didn't play well last night but Washington doesn't get there without him. Butler made not have been the most impactful player on his own team. Agreed, if I'm picking a team and my options are Wall or Butler..I'm taking Wall. Yep. He is more impactful than Butler. A point guard should be more impactful |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Tue May 16, 2017 7:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
Walt Williams Neck wrote: long time guy wrote: 312player wrote: long time guy wrote: I'm not the biggest Wall fan but he is a better player than Jimmy Butler. He didn't play well last night but Washington doesn't get there without him. Butler made not have been the most impactful player on his own team. Agreed, if I'm picking a team and my options are Wall or Butler..I'm taking Wall. Yep. He is more impactful than Butler. A point guard should be more impactful Michael Carter Williams isn't. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Tue May 16, 2017 7:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
long time guy wrote: Walt Williams Neck wrote: long time guy wrote: 312player wrote: long time guy wrote: I'm not the biggest Wall fan but he is a better player than Jimmy Butler. He didn't play well last night but Washington doesn't get there without him. Butler made not have been the most impactful player on his own team. Agreed, if I'm picking a team and my options are Wall or Butler..I'm taking Wall. Yep. He is more impactful than Butler. A point guard should be more impactful Michael Carter Williams isn't. 
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| Author: | long time guy [ Tue May 16, 2017 7:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
Walt Williams Neck wrote: long time guy wrote: Walt Williams Neck wrote: long time guy wrote: 312player wrote: long time guy wrote: I'm not the biggest Wall fan but he is a better player than Jimmy Butler. He didn't play well last night but Washington doesn't get there without him. Butler made not have been the most impactful player on his own team. Agreed, if I'm picking a team and my options are Wall or Butler..I'm taking Wall. Yep. He is more impactful than Butler. A point guard should be more impactful Michael Carter Williams isn't. You made it about the position and not the player so I followed suit. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Tue May 16, 2017 8:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
long time guy wrote: Walt Williams Neck wrote: long time guy wrote: Walt Williams Neck wrote: long time guy wrote: [ quote="long time guy"]I'm not the biggest Wall fan but he is a better player than Jimmy Butler. He didn't play well last night but Washington doesn't get there without him. Butler made not have been the most impactful player on his own team. Agreed, if I'm picking a team and my options are Wall or Butler..I'm taking Wall. Yep. He is more impactful than Butler. A point guard should be more impactful Michael Carter Williams isn't. [/quote]You made it about the position and not the player so I followed suit.[/quote] No you didn't....what's the most impactful position on the court |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue May 16, 2017 8:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
I tried to warn you about John Wall. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Tue May 16, 2017 8:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
Walt Williams Neck wrote: long time guy wrote: Walt Williams Neck wrote: long time guy wrote: Walt Williams Neck wrote: long time guy wrote: [ quote="long time guy"]I'm not the biggest Wall fan but he is a better player than Jimmy Butler. He didn't play well last night but Washington doesn't get there without him. Butler made not have been the most impactful player on his own team. Agreed, if I'm picking a team and my options are Wall or Butler..I'm taking Wall. Yep. He is more impactful than Butler. A point guard should be more impactful Michael Carter Williams isn't. You made it about the position and not the player so I followed suit.[/quote] No you didn't....what's the most impactful position on the court[/quote] Depends on the player. In G.S. It's the PF slot in S.A it's the 3 in Cleveland it's the 3. You can't universally say that's it point guard. In Dallas it's been PF for 20 years. Wall is better. He makes guys around him better. Butler makes no one better. Butler runs a lot of point for the Bulls by the way. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Tue May 16, 2017 2:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
long time guy wrote: 312player wrote: long time guy wrote: I'm not the biggest Wall fan but he is a better player than Jimmy Butler. He didn't play well last night but Washington doesn't get there without him. Butler made not have been the most impactful player on his own team. Agreed, if I'm picking a team and my options are Wall or Butler..I'm taking Wall. Yep. He is more impactful than Butler. No he isn't. Butler impacts both ends of the court. And he's clearly by far the best player on the Bulls so I'm not sure what you're even talking about. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Tue May 16, 2017 4:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
"] long time guy wrote: Walt Williams Neck wrote: long time guy wrote: [ quote="long time guy"]I'm not the biggest Wall fan but he is a better player than Jimmy Butler. He didn't play well last night but Washington doesn't get there without him. Butler made not have been the most impactful player on his own team. Agreed, if I'm picking a team and my options are Wall or Butler..I'm taking Wall. Yep. He is more impactful than Butler. A point guard should be more impactful[/quote] Michael Carter Williams isn't.[/quote] is Rondo?????? You pick a bench player [/quote]You made it about the position and not the player so I followed suit.[/quote] No you didn't....what's the most impactful position on the court[/quote] Depends on the player. In G.S. It's the PF slot in S.A it's the 3 in Cleveland it's the 3. You can't universally say that's it point guard. In Dallas it's been PF for 20 years. Wall is better. He makes guys around him better. Butler makes no one better. Butler runs a lot of point for the Bulls by the way.[/quote] Who on the Bulls would John make better? |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Tue May 16, 2017 5:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
Walt Williams Neck wrote: "] long time guy wrote: Walt Williams Neck wrote: long time guy wrote: [ quote="long time guy"]I'm not the biggest Wall fan but he is a better player than Jimmy Butler. He didn't play well last night but Washington doesn't get there without him. Butler made not have been the most impactful player on his own team. Agreed, if I'm picking a team and my options are Wall or Butler..I'm taking Wall. Yep. He is more impactful than Butler. A point guard should be more impactful Michael Carter Williams isn't.[/quote] is Rondo?????? You pick a bench player [/quote]You made it about the position and not the player so I followed suit.[/quote] No you didn't....what's the most impactful position on the court[/quote] Depends on the player. In G.S. It's the PF slot in S.A it's the 3 in Cleveland it's the 3. You can't universally say that's it point guard. In Dallas it's been PF for 20 years. Wall is better. He makes guys around him better. Butler makes no one better. Butler runs a lot of point for the Bulls by the way.[/quote] Who on the Bulls would John make better?[/quote] Bobby Portis. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Tue May 16, 2017 5:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
long time guy wrote: Walt Williams Neck wrote: "] long time guy wrote: Walt Williams Neck wrote: long time guy wrote: [ quote="long time guy"]I'm not the biggest Wall fan but he is a better player than Jimmy Butler. He didn't play well last night but Washington doesn't get there without him. Butler made not have been the most impactful player on his own team. Agreed, if I'm picking a team and my options are Wall or Butler..I'm taking Wall. Yep. He is more impactful than Butler. A point guard should be more impactful Michael Carter Williams isn't. [/quote]You made it about the position and not the player so I followed suit.[/quote] No you didn't....what's the most impactful position on the court[/quote] Depends on the player. In G.S. It's the PF slot in S.A it's the 3 in Cleveland it's the 3. You can't universally say that's it point guard. In Dallas it's been PF for 20 years. Wall is better. He makes guys around him better. Butler makes no one better. Butler runs a lot of point for the Bulls by the way.[/quote] Who on the Bulls would John make better?[/quote] Bobby Portis.[/quote] wrong |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Tue May 16, 2017 5:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
Butler is a better scorer than Wall per 100 posesssions. He is a better rebounder. He has a better assist to turnover ratio. He is a much better defender and is acknowledged as such with all defensive team honors. He had a better PER, W/48, BPM, and VORP. He has better traditional shooting percentages and a higher TS%. There is no case to be made that John Wall is better than Jimmy Butler. Even if you disregard all the statistical evidence showing Butler is better and go by the eye test, the result is the same. Butler doesn't turn the ball over constantly and take bad shots nearly as often. He doesn't fall asleep on defense. He's better at making more difficult shots and is a far superior half court player. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Tue May 16, 2017 6:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
FavreFan wrote: Butler is a better scorer than Wall per 100 posesssions. He is a better rebounder. He has a better assist to turnover ratio. He is a much better defender and is acknowledged as such with all defensive team honors. He had a better PER, W/48, BPM, and VORP. He has better traditional shooting percentages and a higher TS%. There is no case to be made that John Wall is better than Jimmy Butler. Even if you disregard all the statistical evidence showing Butler is better and go by the eye test, the result is the same. Butler doesn't turn the ball over constantly and take bad shots nearly as often. He doesn't fall asleep on defense. He's better at making more difficult shots and is a far superior half court player. Which player will finish higher on all NBA teams. Which person will garner more votes for MVP? I think there is your argument right there. We both know the answer to that |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Tue May 16, 2017 6:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: Butler is a better scorer than Wall per 100 posesssions. He is a better rebounder. He has a better assist to turnover ratio. He is a much better defender and is acknowledged as such with all defensive team honors. He had a better PER, W/48, BPM, and VORP. He has better traditional shooting percentages and a higher TS%. There is no case to be made that John Wall is better than Jimmy Butler. Even if you disregard all the statistical evidence showing Butler is better and go by the eye test, the result is the same. Butler doesn't turn the ball over constantly and take bad shots nearly as often. He doesn't fall asleep on defense. He's better at making more difficult shots and is a far superior half court player. Which player will finish higher on all NBA teams. Which person will garner more votes for MVP? I think there is your argument right there. We both know the answer to that Jimmy Butler is the answer to that too
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| Author: | Bagels [ Tue May 16, 2017 8:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2017 Playoffs |
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