I am very ignorant to this guy other than things I’ve read and highlights...

But I’m assuming he’s not expected to ever be a scorer, right? In my limited observations, he’s tall but not overly quick, right? Good vision and decision-making but not real explosive?

And his shot is bizarre, which doesn’t matter in and of itself, but it also seems to be a slow release that has to have ample room to get off.

I’m not saying that my observations are necessarily right, but that’s just what I’ve seen in admittedly limited viewing.

He really does remind me of a young Shaun Livingston before the injuries. I have a hard time seeing where he’ll ever be a big scorer.

Similar height wise but Sean Livingston was more talented. didn't have the range Ball has but he was a more complete player. Didn't have the holes in his game Ball has. Better athlete better handle and better defender. Livingston was fluid. I think I remember you saying you played against him in high school so you know what I'm talking about. if I'm wrong about that you can correct me. Livingston was going to be an All star. The projections for Ball aren't quite the same from what I've seen.

You could say that. I played him in a Gus Macker 3 on 3 and he stood at the top of the key and just passed to his talented teammates for a complete shellacking of our team.

He wasn’t really trying in that, but I saw him play plenty in high school. I don’t know how he’d be viewed today. Super talented, no doubt, but his lack of range wouldn’t have been great in today’s pick and roll obsessed game. But yeah - based on what I’ve seen, he was probably more athletic and he was a hell of a post passer... probably more athletic than Ball but was really never a great shooter.

Got switched back and forth on picks between Gasol and Conley tonight and defended both well. Iso'd on Gasol a couple times he didn't let him score. It's not a question anymore of if he's good defensively. It's how good can he be.

Still bad offensively so far though.

He doesn't suck. Overall he's a net positive. This is demonstrated by his +/-, his defensive metrics, and the fact that if you watch the games his team plays better on both ends with him than without him.

He's a mixed bag so far. Not sure what he will be. He's pretty bad on offense, pretty good on defense.

Where did I learn about Kuzma? Summer League basketball. That's where.

Yet shakes is the only one that mentioned Kuzma in the summer league thread here...

I actually mentioned it in the Summer league thread that's why. You know summer league basketball. That brand of hoops in which nothing is to be gained. At least that's what MANY tried to tell me.

At least 5 rookies look better, he will make a living in the league but he will never be a star.

If the NBA was the dope game someone would've already whacked Lavar for trying to pass baking soda off as coke. He'd have been beaten for passing huff weed off as diesel.

Yet shakes is the only one that mentioned Kuzma in the summer league thread here...

According to our handy search function the only person to mention him in the summer thread was shakes.

I didn't watch but I did record it so i will check it out later today. The articles that i read stated that he wasn't all that impressive. Actually the other rookie Kuzma has looked better. He looked better during the summer too. I wouldn't put too much stock into ESPN analysis either. They are way too invested in the marketing of all things Ball to be objective about anything. I will get my analysis elsewhere.

I never said he wasnt. Stop stretching what I said. I just found it odd that shakes said nothing about him in a thread dedicated to summer league after saying he learned about him during summer ball.

I also find that basketball is discussed outside of one thread on one message board. I hate to break it to you, but Kyle Kuzma was thought highly of by many NBA fans besides shakes, including myself. I don't think others that viewed him highly would be disqualified if they hadn't posted about him in a single thread you singled out (which you were wrong about anyway, since that LTG post came from that thread.)

Who do you think you're kidding? You never heard of Kuzma till probably 2 weeks before the season.

I've noticed that ALL of your NBA thoughts are just parroted from other people or websites. For instance, a couple weeks ago when you were talking about the draft and you said you would rather have Kuzma and some other player drafted late who is doing well over someone who was drafted higher but is struggling. Basically you just picked out the 2 guys who were the biggest surprises and tried to pass it off as if you figured that out on your own. And of course, who can forget your Lonzo vs MCW comparison that you brought to the board. No mention of the fact that several people on RealGM and other websites had already brought up that comparison weeks prior.


I can't think of a single original thought you've posted about the NBA all season.

Additionally, I've had double the posts in the NBA section over the last three years than you have. I have thousands of posts in the section between IMU, immessedup17 and the 15,000 posts bigfan deleted.

You're new to this. Your weird obsession with Lonzo Ball doesn't make you an NBA guy.

What does that have to do with anything? Try having an original thought that you didn't parrot from someone else. Comparing Lonzo to MCW isn't an original thought when 100s of people online were making that exact same comparison weeks before you even brought it up.

And for the record, I've been a NBA fan longer than you've been alive. I just took a little hiatus.