Let us not forget your thoughts on Nerlens Noel. How is that working out? IMU care to chime in on this one as well. Noel has blown up right before our eyes. He stinks.

I choose not to do victory laps or discredit posters so a lot of the time I simply fall back. But it is time to do an "idiotic thought" assessment together. Lets see who has more of them.

Oh. Well that’s a lot different than calling him a HOFer now isn’t it?

He does have a chance. Almost every good player does. The basketball hall of fame is a joke and by far the easiest to get into out of all sports.

Let us not forget your thoughts on Nerlens Noel. How is that working out? IMU care to chime in on this one as well. Noel has blown up right before our eyes. He stinks.

I choose not to do victory laps or discredit posters so a lot of the time I simply fall back. But it is time to do an "assanine thought" assessment together. Lets see who has more of them.

Its a little different but Butler isn't even the discussion. Yours maybe. Not everyone gets in either. That is a misnomer. It is easier than others but the guys that get in tend to have been top 10 or 5 at some point of their careers. He is neither.

Ok let’s get to some of yours

- Kyrie is better than Steph Curry. This is an all time dumb thought and continues to be.

- Cleveland won’t win the East last year. Oops, turns out they went 12-1 in the East bracket.

- Thunder are gonna be a 2 seed this year, better than the Spurs and Wolves. Oops!

- Carmelo makes teams better. NY is better without him and OKC is worse since acquiring him. Embarrassing.

- Nikola Jokic is just a guy.

Should I keep going?

You have a bad memory and your last statement is laughably stupid. Everyone reading this thread is going to disagree with you on that.

Guess I win this round. Better luck next time

Edit: you changed your post. I was referring to Carmelo having a track record of making teams better

And stop lying about Jokic. That’s one that I CLEARLY won over you. He’s a great player. That’s indisputable.

It’s funny you think you’re gonna find a comment about me dissing Simmons. I never watched him play in college and therefore never really had an opinion on him until this year. This year, I was the first on the board to say he’s going to own the league for the next decade, and I said this after he played just a couple pro games.

If Jokic is a great player how come he has never made an All Star team. Great players tend to do that you know.

You were the first? You sure? I called him a franchise player during last season's injury riddled year. Again that was another one I got right. The Philly thread. You know. Most talent in the league. That thread. The one where the usual band of discreditors came out to tell me how wrong I was. Do we wish to dispute that now?

You said he was "for real" and "a franchise type guy" before you ever saw him play a pro game. That's pretty solid but I dont make a habit of talking about players I've never seen play. As soon as I saw him play one pro game I immediately said he's gonna be the next dominant superstar in the game. That's probably more accurate than "he is for real" and "he is a franchise type guy"

I knew he'd be a franchise guy when I saw him play in the Vegas Summer league. Saw him in high school but I really didn't assess him much. Also saw him a game or 2 at LSU but he wasn't playing hard and college basketball blows.

Vegas Summer League is where I knew,he'd be a player.

You sure did make a habit of dissing Lauri Markannen without seeing him play.

:lol:

I knew ltg would be jumping in here tonight to act like 1 game means more than 25 in terms of predicting future success.

No one called it a great game. FF pointed out he was dominating the 4th quarter. This was a fact. 14 points including back to back clutch threes. He also forced a couple of turnovers and had his usual rebounds and assists. All around player.



Don't let your seething anger prevent you from typing all of the words of the sentence into the post.



I realize that Carmelo Anthony and Jimmy Butler could have the same exact statistics in a game and you'd think Carmelo played amazingly and Jimmy Butler is a "third option." You'd think Jimmy Butler stole shots from teammates. You'd think he played "isoball." Even if he had more assists and less of a usage percentage than Carmelo. You are blind to actual performance. You see names...names you were either told were good or players you are a fan of, and then they can do no wrong and other players can do no right.



I would make no bets regarding the ASG this year as the new format leaves too many questions. The captains might end up picking a large amount of teammates. If it were based on merit, I would take the bet in an instant. Jimmy Butler has been an All-Star for three consecutive seasons and he isn't slowing down.



I was not discussing this year Carmelo or any specific year Carmelo. I excluded the last 5 years of his career, and pulled up games where he attempted 30 FGA or more. He has had many worse games when taking 30+ shots, and he has taken 30 shots about 50 times in his career it looks like. Not only that, and I haven't done the math yet, but the more shots he takes in a game, the worse his shooting percentage gets. If I were to take all of his 25+ FGA or 30+ FGA games, he'd be a 40% shooter. Maybe in the 30's. Go look yourself.



MCW needs good coaching. Lance Stephenson plays 22 minutes a game for a 16-11 team and is their spark plug off the bench. I said he could be a good contributor on a playoff team and he is. No one ever called him a star. This is in your head. Tyrus Thomas and Bobby Portis have eerily similar stats through this point of their respective careers. Portis his a few more threes. Tyrus was better defensively. Both scored the same amount of points. (Technically, Tyrus scores 0.1 more PPG and in less minutes)



Who does not respond to me? I mean honestly, there are people on this board that go out specifically to watch NBA basketball with me. Now who doesn't know what they are talking about?



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Butler over Carmelo:

• 2 more PPG
• Much better FG%
• Better 3P and FT %s
• About 3x as many assists
• Way more steals (9th in the league)
• Less fouls
• 12th in the league in Real Plus-Minus
• 20.01 PER versus 14.67 PER (there are 113 players between the two)
• 4.6 Estimated Wins Added versus Carmelo's 1.3

Butler also has one of the best turnover to minutes played ratios in the league, for anyone that plays 30+ minutes a game.

In what world are they having similar seasons?

You want to keep bringing up Carmelo in his 15th season and yet completely ignore than Butler is only in his 7th season (after essentially being redshirted in his first year) when discussing Hall of Fame credentials. Jimmy Butler has Hall of Fame potential.

This his a Hall of Fame career:

938 G, 19.6 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 4.4 APG, 43.5% FG, 74.6% FT, 47 eFG%, 22.1 PER, 97.3 WS

This is Jimmy Butler so far:

425 G, 15.8 PPG (21.5 last 4 years) , 4.9 RPG (5.8 last 4 years), 3.2 APG (4.6 last 4 years), 44.8% FG (45.7 last 4 years), 82.9% (84.6 last 4 years) FT, 48.6% eFG (49.3 last years), 19.4 PER, 52.3 WS

If Butler can keep his last 4 year pace for the next 4 years (Age 29-32 seasons) and not have his career cut short by injury, he would be a Hall of Famer.

Anyone that knows basketball would know that Anthony (other than this one) has never avg under 20 per game in any season of his career. This is what I mean by you not anything about basketball. You post 19 per game for his career. That's impossible and really nothing that has to be validated given his rep as a scorer. I did it anyway just to show how foolish you are about this particular subject.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... oca01.html