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Nas

Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:42 pm

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Nas, leash, or Ltg - please name the role players in nba history who have put up 32-15-9 in a game 7 Finals game. Hell, any Finals game. I’ll wait.

Am I gonna be waiting awhile?

Wasn't Green suspended for a finals game that Cleveland won en route to winning in 7 games?

He was also on a team that struggled to win a series against a team that had Matthew Dellavedova as their 2nd best player.

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

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Nas wrote:

FrankDrebin wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Nas, leash, or Ltg - please name the role players in nba history who have put up 32-15-9 in a game 7 Finals game. Hell, any Finals game. I’ll wait.

Am I gonna be waiting awhile?

Wasn't Green suspended for a finals game that Cleveland won en route to winning in 7 games?

He was also on a team that struggled to win a series against a team that had Matthew Dellavedova as their 2nd best player.

Tristan Thompson was probably the second best player; Dellavedova had one good game. LeBron also had probably the best Finals series of all-time.

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

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FavreFan wrote:

Nas, leash, or Ltg - please name the role players in nba history who have put up 32-15-9 in a game 7 Finals game. Hell, any Finals game. I’ll wait.

Am I gonna be waiting awhile?

Plus Green had a triple-double in Game 6 of the '15 Finals to win the title for GS.

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:00 pm

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I just listed 21 guys ONLY on playoffs teams in the West that are better. No one can make a legitimate argument that he's better than 7 of those 21 player. We haven't even touched the rest of the West or the East. The idea that Green is a top 15 player is foolish.

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:03 pm

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Nas wrote:

Top 50 role players occasionally have great games. He had a great game. Clap for him. Going forward would you rather have Markkanen or Green?

Green, of course. And I’m really high on Markkanen. But that’s an easy one.

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

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Nas wrote:

He’s better than most guys on the list. Again, defense matters.

But yeah, that list just goes to show how great shape the league is in. Incredible amount of talent.

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:08 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

Nas, leash, or Ltg - please name the role players in nba history who have put up 32-15-9 in a game 7 Finals game. Hell, any Finals game. I’ll wait.

Am I gonna be waiting awhile?

The answer appears to be yes.

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:13 pm

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Nas wrote:

Better players on Western Conference playoff teams

1. Chris Paul - Green
2. James Harden
3. Steph Curry
4. Kevin Durant
5. Klay Thompson Green
6. Damien Lillard
7. CJ McCollum Green
8. Jusuf Nurkic
9. Anthony Davis
10. DeMarcus Cousins
11. Jrue Holiday Green
12. Jimmy Butler
13. Karl-Anthony Towns
14. Russell Westbrook
15. Paul George
16. Marshmelo Anthony Green
17. LaMarcus Aldridge
18. Kawhi Leonard
19. DeAndre Jordan Green
20. Lou Williams Green
21. Nikola Jokic Green

We're at 21 players without including the East or the rest of the West. Top 50 may have been a little generous. Clearly not a top 15 player.

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:14 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

Nas, leash, or Ltg - please name the role players in nba history who have put up 32-15-9 in a game 7 Finals game. Hell, any Finals game. I’ll wait.

Am I gonna be waiting awhile?

The answer appears to be yes.

James Worthy was the 3rd best player on his team too and not only played better (36 points, 16 boards and 10 assists) but helped his team win. He didn't lose to an inferior opponent.

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:26 pm

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Somewhere in the thirties seems fair.

That he can be a head case with horrid timing can't allow him higher

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:30 pm

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Regular Reader wrote:

Somewhere in the thirties seems fair.

That he can be a head case with horrid timing can't allow him higher

That he’s the leader of a team with two all time great players necessitates he’s higher.

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:32 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

Nas, leash, or Ltg - please name the role players in nba history who have put up 32-15-9 in a game 7 Finals game. Hell, any Finals game. I’ll wait.

Am I gonna be waiting awhile?

The answer appears to be yes.

That stat line may be difficult to find but his averages for the series won't be. You are cherry picking one game. I'm sure Vegan will chime in to inform us on what the term "small sample size" entails.

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:34 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Somewhere in the thirties seems fair.

That he can be a head case with horrid timing can't allow him higher

That he’s the leader of a team with two all time great players necessitates he’s higher.

That he's only the fourth best player on that team starts him at a disadvantage in justifying your valuation.

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:35 pm

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Regular Reader wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Somewhere in the thirties seems fair.

That he can be a head case with horrid timing can't allow him higher

That he’s the leader of a team with two all time great players necessitates he’s higher.

That he's only the fourth best player on that team starts him at a disadvantage in justifying your valuation.

Not really. It’s an all time great team for a reason. And there’s obviously a Draymond/Klay debate to be bad.

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:36 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Somewhere in the thirties seems fair.

That he can be a head case with horrid timing can't allow him higher

That he’s the leader of a team with two all time great players necessitates he’s higher.

Bill Cartwright was a leader on those Bulls teams. Didn't necessitate that he be a top 15 however.

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:53 pm

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Ricky Davis would average 7 assists for the Warriors.

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

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leashyourkids wrote:

Ricky Davis would average 7 assists for the Warriors.

Bad take even as a joke. How’s Nick Young doing in the apg department?

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:13 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

A role player can't be top 15.

Defense matters.

So says the guy that guy that has Nikola "the Joker" Jokic as one of the top 10 players in the league.

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:19 pm

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long time guy wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

A role player can't be top 15.

Defense matters.

So says the guy that guy that has Nikola "the Joker" Jokic as one of the top 10 players in the league.

There’s a reason I don’t have him top 5.

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:38 pm

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FrankDrebin wrote:

Nas wrote:

Even if I agree with you on all of those that still eliminates him from the top 15. I still have players from 21 other teams to add to that list.

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

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FavreFan wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Ricky Davis would average 7 assists for the Warriors.

Bad take even as a joke. How’s Nick Young doing in the apg department?

The kid from Nickelodeon?

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:52 pm

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Eastern Conf guys better than Green.

1. Lebron James
2. Giannis
3. Kyrie Irving
4. Demar Derozan
5. Kyle Lowry
6. Al Horford
7. Kristaps Porzingus
8. Bradley Beal
9. John Wall
10. Blake Griffin
11.Andre Drummond.
12. Goran Drajic
13. Kevin Love
14. AARon Gordon (Yeah I'm going there)
15. Kimbo Walker
16. Dwight Howard
17. AaRon Gordon
18. Joel Embiid
19. Ben Simmons

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Post subject: Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay

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You listed Dwight Howard, and Aaron Gordon twice! You also listed guys like Horford and Blake. I had to double check that wasn’t the long time gay account before responding.

Congrats, you’re officially beyond parody!

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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:58 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

:lol:

I think your top 15 argument is shot. He's not a top 15 player in the West.

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Nas wrote:

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:lol:

I think your top 15 argument is shot. He's not a top 15 player in the West.

He’s a perennial all star and top 3 DPOY candidate.

For the 74th time, defense matters.

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FavreFan wrote:

Nas wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

:lol:

I think your top 15 argument is shot. He's not a top 15 player in the West.

He’s a perennial all star and top 3 DPOY candidate.

For the 74th time, defense matters.

KAT or Green?

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Nas wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Nas wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

:lol:

I think your top 15 argument is shot. He's not a top 15 player in the West.

He’s a perennial all star and top 3 DPOY candidate.

For the 74th time, defense matters.

KAT or Green?

KAT

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Upon furthe review, he’s NOT a top 15 player. Top 16 though.

1. LeBron
2. Kawhi
3. Durant
4. Steph
5. Anthony Davis
6. Harden
7. Westbrook
8. Kyrie
9. Butler
10. Lillard
11. Cousins
12. DeRozan
13. Jokic
14. Porzingis
15. KAT
16. Draymond Green

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17th. Bradley Beal is better too.

John Wall is not.

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FrankDrebin wrote:

Nas wrote:

I hesitate to get into this debate as I tend to agree that MANY on this board under-rate defense but there’s no way Green is better than Chris Paul.

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