how the mighty have fallen

I make that trade just to get rid of Rubio's contract.

I make that trade just to get rid of Rubio's contract.

Vegan your boy Ainge is blowing it. Got some Pax in him in his refusal to part with assets in exchange for a clearly superior player.

Ainge is doing just fine - good now and positioned to do well in the future. Butler is the Mercedes in a parking lot filled with secondhand pogo sticks. Have fun with that.

Good now and positioned to do well in the future was where Pax was from 2008-2010 and you still criticized him for failing to make a big move. If the Celtics can land George or Butler they could easily compete with the Cavs for the East this year and next. If they don't make those moves they won't stand a chance.

Yeah but the reports are that Gar asked Ainge for core players on the Celtics. That's like Pax being asked to give up Rose in 2009 - of course you're not going to do that. Not Ainge's fault if he's working with dumbasses like the Bulls.

Even Isaih Thomas isn't comparable to asking for Rose in 2009. Nobody on the Celts comes close. Marcus Smart and Jaylen Brown certainly don't.

you seem to be mocking the Celtics core, yet you think w/ the addition of Butler or George they could compete w/ the Cavs ?

They have a lot of good players. They don't have anybody who's close in value to 2009 Rose given his talent and potential and age at the time.

Thomas is having an awesome year, but I think age and potential would still have Rose graded clearly higher. It's a moot point anyway since we are talking about giving up Crowder or Brown, not Thomas. We just disagree on how much Butler would help them. The two Nets picks and Brown or Crowder for Butler would be a good trade for both teams IMO. Like you said, if they don't use those Nets picks to get someone as good or better than Butler than they are basically waiting for a brand new window that may or may not even open.

Thomas is having an awesome year, but I think age and potential would still have Rose graded clearly higher. It's a moot point anyway since we are talking about giving up Crowder or Brown, not Thomas. We just disagree on how much Butler would help them. The two Nets picks and Brown or Crowder for Butler would be a good trade for both teams IMO. Like you said, if they don't use those Nets picks to get someone as good or better than Butler than they are basically waiting for a brand new window that may or may not even open.

so you feel if they added Butler they would be a legit threat to the Cavs ?

I think you're missing some context here though. It's not the Celtics were only offering the Nets picks, it's that the picks themselves were apparently a non-starter for the Bulls. The kind of trade you're proposing would have been a best case scenario offer for the Bulls IMO, but GarPax wanted fewer picks and more core players to continue the neverending retooling process.