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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:47 am 
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New 50 greatest list:
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1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Magic Johnson
5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Bill Russell
7. Tim Duncan
8. Larry Bird
9. Shaquille O’Neal
10. Kobe Bryant
11. Hakeem Olajuwon
12. Oscar Robertson
13. Jerry West
14. Moses Malone
15. Kevin Garnett
16. Karl Malone
17. Dirk Nowitzki
18. Julius Erving
19. Stephen Curry
20. Charles Barkley
21. Chris Paul
22. Scottie Pippen
23. John Stockton
24. Kevin Durant
25. Dwyane Wade
26. Elgin Baylor
27. David Robinson
28. Steve Nash
29. Jason Kidd
30. Clyde Drexler
31. Patrick Ewing
32. Walt Frazier
33. John Havlicek
34. Allen Iverson
35. Isiah Thomas
36. Bob Cousy
37. George Mikan
38. Paul Pierce
39. Rick Barry
40. Dolph Schayes
41. Elvin Hayes
42. Gary Payton
43. George Gervin
44. Kevin McHale
45. Bob Pettit
46. Ray Allen
47. Reggie Miller
48. Dominique Wilkins
49. Dwight Howard
50. Kawhi Leonard

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/cbs-s ... urry-rank/

Chris Paul's placement is the most egregious thing on first glance. Wade also never gets any respect on these lists, and I say that as someone who hates him. Same for Isiah.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:53 am 
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Kawhi Leonard? Is he even old enough to drive yet?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:07 am 
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Also this made me revisit Mike Francesa ranting about ESPN's own list last year. "ANY LIST THAT HAS BILL RUSSELL 7TH SHOULD BE TOO EMBARRASSED TO BE MADE PUBLIC" :lol: https://vid.me/zPjR


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:14 am 
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Dwight Howard?

:lol: :lol:

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This list is a damn joke.

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This list is a damn joke.




What's the most obvious errors in your opinion?


I never like these lists, they get #1 right and fuck up the rest, Oscar Robertson has to be top 10. Pippen isn't a top 30 player, I'd take Hakeem over every center in history, the second best center is Kareem. Curry, Steve Nash and Ewing aren't top 50 guys, maybe one day Curry is but not now.


Dwight Howard isn't a top 50 guy either.

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long time guy wrote:
This list is a damn joke.


Agreed... where's Brian Scalabrine?

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312player wrote:
long time guy wrote:
This list is a damn joke.




What's the most obvious errors in your opinion?


I never like these lists, they get #1 right and fuck up the rest, Oscar Robertson has to be top 10. Pippen isn't a top 30 player, I'd take Hakeem over every center in history, the second best center is Kareem. Curry, Steve Nash and Ewing aren't top 50 guys, maybe one day Curry is but not now.


Dwight Howard isn't a top 50 guy either.


Curry isn't a top 20 all time player. Probably not top 50 yet.

Isaiah Thomas is a top 20 player.

Dwight Howard shouldn't be there either.

Kawhi Leonard shouldn't be on the list either.

I will look at some others too but those are the ones that jump out. LeBron isn't #2 all time either.

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Paul Pierce shouldn't be on the list and Pippen is too high. Pippen is close to about 50th on the list.

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Chris Paul is not better than Scottie Pippen. When doing these discussions it's almost best to do it by era because Wilt Chamberlin is probably not as good in comparison to the modern NBA. I would probably do two lists: The NBA from 1980 to 2000 and the NBA from 2000 to the present.

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Drake LaRrieta wrote:
Chris Paul is not better than Scottie Pippen. When doing these discussions it's almost best to do it by era because Wilt Chamberlin is probably not as good in comparison to the modern NBA. I would probably do two lists: The NBA from 1980 to 2000 and the NBA from 2000 to the present.


Good point. Wilt was great for the 80s.

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Drake LaRrieta wrote:
Chris Paul is not better than Scottie Pippen. When doing these discussions it's almost best to do it by era because Wilt Chamberlin is probably not as good in comparison to the modern NBA. I would probably do two lists: The NBA from 1980 to 2000 and the NBA from 2000 to the present.


So you're suggesting that no player prior to 1980 should even be listed?

Shaquille O'Neal played in the modern era and dominated doing a lot of the same things that Wilt did. Great players can play in any era. Very Goffian and Bernstinian way of thinking.

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Drake LaRrieta wrote:
Chris Paul is not better than Scottie Pippen. When doing these discussions it's almost best to do it by era because Wilt Chamberlin is probably not as good in comparison to the modern NBA. I would probably do two lists: The NBA from 1980 to 2000 and the NBA from 2000 to the present.


So you're suggesting that no player prior to 1980 should even be listed?


I would not make a greatest of all-time list. I would make two lists of those two eras. People look at Bill Russell as this great player because of the Celtics success, but to win a championship at that time was only like 1 or 2 playoff series and some of those years there was less than 10 teams in the league. Prior to 1980 there were a lot of white players. Everybody knows now that white American players aren't very good. Kyle Korver is probably in the top 10 of white American players currently in the league. There is the era before Magic, Bird and Jordan and everything since. You can't compare the eras between 1980 to 2000 and 2000 to now because of things like hand-checking, flagrant fouls and three-point shooting. The amount of movement between teams with free agency also makes comparing the eras difficult.

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I'm not going to argue why Dwight Howard should be on the list. I'll only say that he averaged 22 and 14 for five straight seasons and the year he single-handedly took the Magic to the Finals was a lot of fun. He was never the same after back surgery. It killed his prime years.

I'm surprised a couple of you don't think Steph Curry should be on the list. I think he belongs on it right damn now. Steve Nash is a top 50 guy as well. Jason Kidd should be ahead of him based on entire career but I'd rather have 2004-2008 Steve Nash than any Jason Kidd season.


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I'm not going to argue why Dwight Howard should be on the list. I will say that he averaged 22 and 14 for five straight seasons and the year he single-handedly took the Magic to the Finals was a lot of fun. He was never the same after back surgery. It killed his prime years.

I'm surprised a couple of you don't think Steph Curry should be on the list. I think he belongs on it right damn now. Steve Nash is a top 50 guy as well. Jason Kidd should be ahead of him based on entire career but I'd rather have 2004-2008 Steve Nash than any Jason Kidd season.


The more I watch Curry the more I'm convinced that he is a product of that system more than anything. 3 years ago he wasn't even considered in the top 100 players.

As a basketball player he does 1 thing at an elite level. He is a terrible decision maker and defender. Against other elite guards in the playoffs (guards conspicuously not considered) he gets torched.

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Terrible list.

Pippen too high.

Durant too high.

Curry too high.

Kidd too high.

Pierce too high.

Drexler too high.

Isiah too low.

Leonard and Howard shouldn't be on the list.

The entire list has too many recent players.

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Kawhi is criminally underrated on this list. Top 30 easily

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Kawhi is criminally underrated on this list. Top 30 easily


:lol: Like I said above, can the dude even drive yet? He's got to play for at least seven more years before he even merits discussion.

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a wonderful list

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Kawhi is criminally underrated on this list. Top 30 easily


:lol: Like I said above, can the dude even drive yet? He's got to play for at least seven more years before he even merits discussion.

Seven years from now he'll be #2 on the list

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