Not about that. Krause had more to do with it than he did.

You have to define what critical happens to be. Doug Collins coached the Bulls when they were a crap team. They had Jordan and nothing else. He led them to an upset of a Cleveland team that was much better.

Phil Jackson didn't lead Jordan to trust his teammates Krause provided him with better teammates. When you look at the 4 people most instrumental to the Bulls success Jordan Pippen Krause and Jackson Jackson had the least impact.

It was not difficult to coach Michael Jordan and this notion that the Bulls won because Jackson changed Jordans thinking is garbage.

Jordan had terrible teammates early in his career and he had to dominate the ball in order for the Bulls to win. The guys he won with in 91 were nothing like the guys he won with in 87 or 88. Look at the rosters and you'll see what I'm talking about. The Bulls took off once Pippen and Grant became reliable players. Pippen becoming an all star.

I don't know who deserves more credit honestly. I do think Krause deserves more credit than he gets and Jackson deserves less than he gets though.

I've always said that Krause was more important than Jackson. Said it while they were winning championships.

Now it's popular to say that after Krause dies and Jackson is a dumb ass GM/President with the Knicks.

If Krause doesn't hire Jackson, Jackson is nothing. He owes his life to Krause.

Plus Phil is just a piece of shit person. Always felt that way about him. Dumped his wife when he made it big and got money, arrogant piece of shit. And pretends to be smarter than he actually is. With his Zen bullshit. He tries to sound smart but often ends up sounding stupid when he speaks.

How so? To me they equally get credit in proportion to the role they played: Krause gets credit for acquiring players that proved to be of some use to a championship squad. Jackson gets credit for optimizing the talents and skills of the players Krause acquired so they could win games and championships. Moving away from Krause, making Kobe and Shaq work when they were both 20 somethings with massive egos and competing agendas is a modern day management miracle.

Jackson has five more rings as a coach than Krause does as a GM. Krause was also dumped five years after he let PJ walk.

Well, if Krause got hired as GM of the Lakers when Phil got that coaching job, they would be tied.

And if Phil coached the Bulls after the break up, Phil would still have 6.

Well, if Krause got hired as GM of the Lakers when Phil got that coaching job, they would be tied.

And if Phil coached the Bulls after the break up, Phil would still have 6.

Well, if Krause got hired as GM of the Lakers when Phil got that coaching job, they would be tied.

And if Phil coached the Bulls after the break up, Phil would still have 6.

Yup. Phil quits on teams and organizations and then comes back when the talent has been replenished. And during his hiatuses he tends to write books talking shit about players that have won him 5 of those 11 rings.

I'll make the argument that if Krause got the Lakers GM job when Phil went there, they'd have more than the 5 that Phil got there. They lost a couple of times when they shouldn't have.

Both of them were arrogant jackasses with wildly over inflated senses of their own importance.

History will remember little lasting about either of them imo. And remember that Tex Winter and John Bach were more integral to the Bulls' and that The Logo put together the Lakers

Yup. Phil quits on teams and organizations and then comes back when the talent has been replenished. And during his hiatuses he tends to write books talking shit about players that have won him 5 of those 11 rings.

I think we can say one thing is for sure - Krause was a better GM than Jackson is.

How so? To me they equally get credit in proportion to the role they played: Krause gets credit for acquiring players that proved to be of some use to a championship squad. Jackson gets credit for optimizing the talents and skills of the players Krause acquired so they could win games and championships. Moving away from Krause, making Kobe and Shaq work when they were both 20 somethings with massive egos and competing agendas is a modern day management miracle.

No. Phil's ass wanted out. Jordan wanted to quit as well.

Nice spin but Phil was shown the door (Jerry pined for Tim Floyd) and wisely took the best open position the following season. The Lakers had somehow failed to win a championship under a well respected Dell Harris yet immediately went on a run with essentially the same team under a new coach. Not sure how that fits the narrative of "coming back when the talent has been replenished".

I wonder why that was

Both of them were arrogant jackasses with wildly over inflated senses of their own importance.

Winter and Bach, maybe both, followed Jackson to LA, but the narrative is PJ is the one chasing success instead of creating it. Hmm...

West put together the Lakers. They were extremely talented at one point with Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Kobe, Shaq, and a few others. Rings? Zero. Then they hire Phil and win three straight. Coincidence? Maybe they should have hired Doug Collins and almost won three rings in a row.

They don't get credited equally. Just look at the way you colored your statement. "...Players that proved to be of some use to a championship squad." Meaning every player except Jordan. Jordan could have been like a ton of other great players that never won a damn thing if Krause had not surrounded him with the right guys, including, not insignificantly, Phil "Backstabbin'" Jackson. Phil was driving the bus for the Albany Patroon and had a reputation as a flaky hippie loser when Krause pulled him off the scrap heap. And how did Phil thank Krause? By constantly petitioning Reinsdorf for Krause's job.

Phil is three things- an obnoxious pseudo-intellectual, a backstabbing phony, and a great coach of the best players in the game.

Phil wanted Krause's job and Reinsdorf wasn't giving it to him.

Phil was the media lights butterfly, Krause was the paranoid control freak. Each had an unnaturally gifted and driven star that I firmly believe that would have won titles with a solid coach not named Phil.

That having been said, Phil did (correctly) receive more credit, justifiably. But, Phil was largely superfluous in LA, imo

Jackson is clearly a pud but as you noted he is a great coach of the best players in the game. While that might seem like a slap, few coaches truly are. Pop, Riley, Auerbach. I'm not sure why this has to be Krause vs Jackson in the sense that one was great at his job and the other was lucky. Both were both in some respects.