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For the title, I think you mean best and worst lottery picks?

I think they picked Kittles because Kobe went two picks after him. That's problematic because if Kobe wasn't in the draft and some standard NBA dude was picked in Kobe's spot then they would never even think to list Kittles. So I don't know if I'm comfortable with the thought process here.

Wally had a better career than Bynum

veganfan21 wrote:

MANY teams passed on Kobe. If you want to follow that logic, every pick ahead of Kobe should be ranked as that team's worst lottery pick of all time.

Douchebag wrote:

veganfan21 wrote:

MANY teams passed on Kobe. If you want to follow that logic, every pick ahead of Kobe should be ranked as that team's worst lottery pick of all time.

Exactly - that's all the writer is doing here. It's one big exercise in applied hindsight. FF and I got into this debate before and I presume he's fine with this. You listed the main reason for why the underlying logic is faulty.

veganfan21 wrote:

MANY teams passed on Kobe. If you want to follow that logic, every pick ahead of Kobe should be ranked as that team's worst lottery pick of all time.

Douchebag wrote:

veganfan21 wrote:

MANY teams passed on Kobe. If you want to follow that logic, every pick ahead of Kobe should be ranked as that team's worst lottery pick of all time.

Iverson was great, it's Philly's best pick all time.

veganfan21 wrote:

Douchebag wrote:

veganfan21 wrote:

MANY teams passed on Kobe. If you want to follow that logic, every pick ahead of Kobe should be ranked as that team's worst lottery pick of all time.

Not sure what you're going on about here. Is this a reference to your incredibly poor "results don't matter when evaluating GMs" argument from awhile back?

I'd be interested in a list of best non-lottery picks of all time. Kawhi may eventually rise to the top of that kind of list. The best ones I can think of are:

Kukoc
Van Exel
Arenas
Leonard
D. Green
M. Finley

Kawhi is easily the best of that group.

Stockton. Jimmy Butler. Rodman. Nikola Jokic. I'm sure there's a bunch more we aren't thinking about

Marc Gasol, Mark Price, Dennis Rodman.

Adding Ginobli and Divac.

veganfan21 wrote:

MANY teams passed on Kobe. If you want to follow that logic, every pick ahead of Kobe should be ranked as that team's worst lottery pick of all time.

veganfan21 wrote:

Kawhi is easily the best of that group.

Stockton. Jimmy Butler. Rodman. Nikola Jokic. I'm sure there's a bunch more we aren't thinking about

Author:	Douchebag [ Tue May 16, 2017 2:28 pm ]
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Pretty interesting article I found on ESPN.com. I have a few disputes, but it was otherwise solid. My main beefs: Bulls - Marcus Fizer was a much worse pick than Eddy Curry. At least Curry had a couple decent seasons and he allowed the Bulls to fleece multiple draft picks from shitty Knicks GM Isiah Thomas Nets - Ed O'Bannon was a much bigger whiff than Kerry Kittles T'Wolves - Johnny Flynn should be the lone nominee. He's way worse than Bagels' guy Szczerbiak Lakers - They can't just list nobody. George Lynch was a disappointment. Spurs - I guess it has to be Sean Elliott. San Anotonio just doesn't have many lottery picks to choose from. Raptors - I think I would actually rate Bargnani worse since Toronto wasted the #1 pick on him, but man that 2006 draft was terrible. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank-19393608/every-team-best-worst-lottery-picks

Author:	veganfan21 [ Tue May 16, 2017 2:33 pm ]
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For the title, I think you mean best and worst lottery picks? I think they picked Kittles because Kobe went two picks after him. That's problematic because if Kobe wasn't in the draft and some standard NBA dude was picked in Kobe's spot then they would never even think to list Kittles. So I don't know if I'm comfortable with the thought process here.

Author:	Douchebag [ Tue May 16, 2017 2:34 pm ]
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veganfan21 wrote: For the title, I think you mean best and worst lottery picks? Yes, fixed.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue May 16, 2017 2:35 pm ]
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The writer contradicts himself saying he can't list Bynum under Worst because he was an All Star, but so was wally szczerbiak. Wally had a better career than Bynum

Author:	Douchebag [ Tue May 16, 2017 2:36 pm ]
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veganfan21 wrote: I think they picked Kittles because Kobe went two picks after him. That's problematic because if Kobe wasn't in the draft and some standard NBA dude was picked in Kobe's spot then they would never even think to list Kittles. So I don't know if I'm comfortable with the thought process here. MANY teams passed on Kobe. If you want to follow that logic, every pick ahead of Kobe should be ranked as that team's worst lottery pick of all time.

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Author:	veganfan21 [ Tue May 16, 2017 2:39 pm ]
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Douchebag wrote: veganfan21 wrote: I think they picked Kittles because Kobe went two picks after him. That's problematic because if Kobe wasn't in the draft and some standard NBA dude was picked in Kobe's spot then they would never even think to list Kittles. So I don't know if I'm comfortable with the thought process here. MANY teams passed on Kobe. If you want to follow that logic, every pick ahead of Kobe should be ranked as that team's worst lottery pick of all time. Exactly - that's all the writer is doing here. It's one big exercise in applied hindsight. FF and I got into this debate before and I presume he's fine with this. You listed the main reason for why the underlying logic is faulty.

Author:	veganfan21 [ Tue May 16, 2017 2:44 pm ]
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I'll admit it's fun to think about this even though it's hindsight. I might go Tyrus Thomas with the Bulls' worst lottery pick over Curry and Fizer. I agree with DB on Curry - plus he had value around the league when the Bulls wanted to part ways. If I remember correctly one big factor in dealing Curry was his heart condition or something, as opposed to something like potential. I remember Krause picking Fizer to screw up a deal between Orlando and someone else and I guess he was never able to flip him. He never fit in because the Bulls already had Brand.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue May 16, 2017 2:52 pm ]
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veganfan21 wrote: Douchebag wrote: veganfan21 wrote: I think they picked Kittles because Kobe went two picks after him. That's problematic because if Kobe wasn't in the draft and some standard NBA dude was picked in Kobe's spot then they would never even think to list Kittles. So I don't know if I'm comfortable with the thought process here. MANY teams passed on Kobe. If you want to follow that logic, every pick ahead of Kobe should be ranked as that team's worst lottery pick of all time. Exactly - that's all the writer is doing here. It's one big exercise in applied hindsight. FF and I got into this debate before and I presume he's fine with this. You listed the main reason for why the underlying logic is faulty. Not sure what you're going on about here. Is this a reference to your incredibly poor "results don't matter when evaluating GMs" argument from awhile back?

Author:	312player [ Tue May 16, 2017 2:54 pm ]
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Douchebag wrote: veganfan21 wrote: I think they picked Kittles because Kobe went two picks after him. That's problematic because if Kobe wasn't in the draft and some standard NBA dude was picked in Kobe's spot then they would never even think to list Kittles. So I don't know if I'm comfortable with the thought process here. MANY teams passed on Kobe. If you want to follow that logic, every pick ahead of Kobe should be ranked as that team's worst lottery pick of all time. Iverson was great, it's Philly's best pick all time.

Author:	Douchebag [ Tue May 16, 2017 2:55 pm ]
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312player wrote: Douchebag wrote: veganfan21 wrote: I think they picked Kittles because Kobe went two picks after him. That's problematic because if Kobe wasn't in the draft and some standard NBA dude was picked in Kobe's spot then they would never even think to list Kittles. So I don't know if I'm comfortable with the thought process here. MANY teams passed on Kobe. If you want to follow that logic, every pick ahead of Kobe should be ranked as that team's worst lottery pick of all time. Iverson was great, it's Philly's best pick all time. Yeah, but Kobe.

Author:	veganfan21 [ Tue May 16, 2017 3:16 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: veganfan21 wrote: Douchebag wrote: veganfan21 wrote: I think they picked Kittles because Kobe went two picks after him. That's problematic because if Kobe wasn't in the draft and some standard NBA dude was picked in Kobe's spot then they would never even think to list Kittles. So I don't know if I'm comfortable with the thought process here. MANY teams passed on Kobe. If you want to follow that logic, every pick ahead of Kobe should be ranked as that team's worst lottery pick of all time. Exactly - that's all the writer is doing here. It's one big exercise in applied hindsight. FF and I got into this debate before and I presume he's fine with this. You listed the main reason for why the underlying logic is faulty. Not sure what you're going on about here. Is this a reference to your incredibly poor "results don't matter when evaluating GMs" argument from awhile back? I don't want to ruin what looks to be a fun thread by rehashing that argument, so I'll just say my post was a reference to your glorification of hindsight bias. Your worst/best lottery picks?

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue May 16, 2017 4:43 pm ]
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Best is Tim Duncan, worst is a 14 way tie for the first 14 picks of 2011

Author:	veganfan21 [ Tue May 16, 2017 4:54 pm ]
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I'd be interested in a list of best non-lottery picks of all time. Kawhi may eventually rise to the top of that kind of list. The best ones I can think of are: Kukoc Van Exel Arenas Leonard D. Green M. Finley

Author:	Matches Malone [ Tue May 16, 2017 5:03 pm ]
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veganfan21 wrote: I'd be interested in a list of best non-lottery picks of all time. Kawhi may eventually rise to the top of that kind of list. The best ones I can think of are: Kukoc Van Exel Arenas Leonard D. Green M. Finley Marc Gasol, Mark Price, Dennis Rodman. Adding Ginobli and Divac.

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Author:	FavreFan [ Tue May 16, 2017 5:05 pm ]
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veganfan21 wrote: I'd be interested in a list of best non-lottery picks of all time. Kawhi may eventually rise to the top of that kind of list. The best ones I can think of are: Kukoc Van Exel Arenas Leonard D. Green M. Finley Kawhi is easily the best of that group. Stockton. Jimmy Butler. Rodman. Nikola Jokic. I'm sure there's a bunch more we aren't thinking about

Author:	veganfan21 [ Tue May 16, 2017 5:25 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: Kawhi is easily the best of that group. Stockton. Jimmy Butler. Rodman. Nikola Jokic. I'm sure there's a bunch more we aren't thinking about Matches Malone wrote: Marc Gasol, Mark Price, Dennis Rodman. Adding Ginobli and Divac. All good additions. Can't believe I forgot my man Manu. Here's my starting lineup (assuming everyone is at the prime of their careers): Gasol? Rodman Leonard Ginobli Stockton Second squad: Divac Green Finley Butler Arenas Super subs: Price Kukoc Van Exel

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue May 16, 2017 5:35 pm ]
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If a guy like Moses Malone qualifies he would be top 5 probably. I think Jokic will end up better than Gasol and Divac

Author:	long time guy [ Tue May 16, 2017 5:37 pm ]
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Douchebag wrote: veganfan21 wrote: I think they picked Kittles because Kobe went two picks after him. That's problematic because if Kobe wasn't in the draft and some standard NBA dude was picked in Kobe's spot then they would never even think to list Kittles. So I don't know if I'm comfortable with the thought process here. MANY teams passed on Kobe. If you want to follow that logic, every pick ahead of Kobe should be ranked as that team's worst lottery pick of all time. That was a helluva draft though. There were about 4 hall of famers in that draft. Top 5 draft past 35 years. He was the best of the bunch but some of the guys picked ahead of him weren't bums though. I get your point though.