Are you sure Jordan was the best player on the second threepeat Bulls?

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I am

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In order to take subjectivity out of it I'm happy to rephrase it to next player who is 6-0 in the Finals and is a 6x Finals MVP

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I was a hardcore NBA fan from about 82 to 93 at which point I got married and got a job and found more interesting things to do.

I have not watched a full NBA game in years, though I have tried occasionally. the game is totally different today. I don't even recognize it. How would Jordan do today, I don't know...would he have learned to drain the three? I dunno.

If someone wanted to break down why Lebron would be even better under the 1980s rulez, I would listen. Maybe so. There were a lot of big Hatchetmen back in the day that would have made life for him very painful on a nightly basis.

But if you took a space alien and said "look, there's this 'game' we play where the object is to win championships." Mr. Alien would say, why of course Mr. Jordan was better at that.

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I am not rewriting anything. Anyone watching them after he came back could tell they were not in sync. Sure they won games and he had big games, but they were not even close to what their potential was.

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I think a reasonable argument could be made otherwise. And for the record, there's a difference between saying a guy isn't a top fifty all-time player and saying he "isn't that good". Pippen was a great all around player at his peak (during the second threepeat). There are just too many guys who could put the ball in the hole so much better than he could over the course of their careers.

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That is re-writing history. Nobody thought that at the time. Jordan was dominating and the Bulls were rolling going into the playoffs. They just got beat. There's no shame in losing to a team with Shaq and Hardaway.

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There's more to the game than scoring, but Jordan was also a great all around player. He was definitely and without question the best player on the second three peat. But even so, see my amended post.

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MANY guys under 40 were in diapers when Jordy won his first one BTW. At age 34 he was a shell of his former self, yet still the best player on the team.

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They essentially ran back the same teams the next year and the Magic got swept and then broken up. Maybe you could beat Jordan, but then he would take it personally and destroy your entire potential dynasty within 12 months.

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There's really not much more to the game than scoring more than the guy you're guarding. Especially at a time when zone defenses were technically illegal. If a guy like Aguirre guards Pippen and Pippen guards Aguirre for 48 minutes, there's no doubt in my mind which guy has more points at the end of the game.

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Kind of related to this, but which championships teams have been the least talented? I think since I've been paying attention to the league, I'd say the 94 Rockets, 04 Pistons, and 11 Mavericks. The Pistons were solid across the board but were one of the few teams to win a championship without a true superstar and the Rockets and Mavericks were impressive carry jobs by Hakeem and Dirk. I think the 03 Spurs may also deserve a mention; yes they had Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, and Robinson but Parker and Ginobili were babies and Robinson was an old man.

That's sort of how I expect a 7 year old to view the game. It's a team game, not an individual sport.

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The notion that Lebron carried the Cavs is fallacious. Without Irving they win nothing.

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You watched him down the stretch and he clearly wasn't the same MJ. He had flashes and the effort was there but he was a few steps off.

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Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

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https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU

To be fair though, Hardaway broke down after that next season. I don't think he ever really played a full season again. Maybe once late in his career.

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Yep. Duncan is the truest example of a guy that carried his team to a championship. Others are exaggerated examples. Dirk too maybe. All the rest had a lot of help. Akeem carried his team too. Forgot him.

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senior citizen claims Jordan is no Magic! Gen X'er says Lebron is no Jordan. Millenial says ???? is no Lebron.

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I think that's something you're saying after they lost. I don't think anyone had such thoughts at the time.

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Exactly. And to say that no one was saying that back then is rewriting history. I remember MANY discussions on the Score talking about that very thing.

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Actually Nick Anderson said it at the time.

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Yeah, you have to have five guys on the floor to play a game. And some of them besides the main guy have to be pretty good if you're going to win the title. We read enough of your Irving is better than Curry narrative last season to last a lifetime.

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I believe what he said was "45 isn't 23" which was just trash talk.

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I thought it then and in 1998 but I still thought he would find a way. I was wrong in 1995.

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Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

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https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU

Anderson said, he revs up like he used to but doesn't take off.

Is it that hard to figure you take 18-20 months off as a world class athlete, you don't fall out of bed and win the gold medal?

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Jorr, these two guys guard eachother. Who had the better game?

Player A: 5-17 FG, 9-10 FT, 21 points, 5 rebs, 3 assists, 6 turnovers

Player B 6-9 FG, 2-2 FT, 14 points, 11 rebs, 13 assists, 1 turnover

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No, but nobody was saying that when the Bulls were the best team in the game over the last month and Jordan was dropping 55 on the Knicks. This is just part of the assumed "EIGHTpeat" that Bulls fans like to fantasize about. If they lost on the square, you can't claim the EIGHTpeat.

It's no different than the silly assumption that the Sox were the '94 World Series champions.

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Regardless of that its disingenuous to suggest that a guy avg nearly 30 is being carried by anyone. Irving was more instrumental to Cleveland winning last year than Pippen was during any of the Bulls Championships. To suggest that it was Lebron and a bunch of nothing is foolish.

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For Jorr apparently it is.

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You done lost your fucking mind.

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Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

"You can’t love your country only when you win." -President Biden

https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU