Definitely a better shooter than Kidd. Kidd was more aggressive offensively and also a much better defender. He also had man strength in college. Ball is taller than Kidd too. He is probably a better passer also. Kidd was faster and turned the corner better.

Whereas Ball outlets Kidd pushed Tempo. Ball sees the court better in my opinion.

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ho hum, another triple double for Lonzo. 16-12-10. Some poor shot selection led to a 6-20 from the field, but he also had a couple 3s that were halfway down before coming out. He really just needs to curtail the bad shots which I don't think will be an issue once he gets to play with the real players and isn't in the SL where there's a lot of pressure for everyone to get theirs.


Looks like Dennis Smith dominated Fox in their matchup tonight, but I only saw highlights.

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Summer League triple doubles 2...........Ball 2

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I think we can start the argument of ball being better than mj

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Ball also had 7 turnovers and Kay Felder scored 25. Fox was injured during the first quarter and didn't return

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The turnovers don't concern me, all young guards have issues with turnovers. They'll go down with experience and maturity. He's too smart a player to not figure that out.

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I think he will struggle more so with turnovers dribbling than he will passing. His pocket was picked a few times the other night and it was obvious once guys got up in him he wasn't particularly strong with the ball. His height and lack of strength are hindrances there.

If his handle was tight like say a Shaun Livingston then he'd be fine. Just thinking of a taller point guard with similar body type. Not particularly quick either.

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Lonzo with another dominant performance, this one against Dennis Smith and the undefeated Mavs. Lonzo only played the first half because of calf tightness, but had 14pts (on 5-7 shooting) and 10 assists in one half of action as his team had a 20 point lead at the half.

He had trouble guarding Smith, no doubt about that, but the addition of KCP to the Lakers starting lineup means that Lonzo doesn't have to guard point guards which should help him immensely.


Not sure if Lonzo is going to play tonight, but I think he already locked up Summer League MVP honors even if he doesn't.

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He didn't dominate Dennis Smith. Slightly outplayed him. Dennis Smith had 14 at half also. 18 when Ball went out in the 3rd. Smith scored on Ball on back to back plays. Blow by dunk and and studder step blow by layup then Ball mysteriously comes down with cramps. Starting to detect a pattern.

Ball also couldn't guard Ferrell when he switched onto him either.

He has looked well lately though. Jump shot is broke as hell but his vision is elite. Handle isn't all that supreme either.

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a whole lotta hot garbage and the Bulls passed over Smith

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Stick to the script. Summer League doesn't matter remember. That is until it does apparently

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The Bulls passing on Smith at least makes sense to me when you consider that Smith compares very favorably to Derrick Rose athletically and playstyle. And then when you realize that Smith has already missed a year o bball with a torn ACL I can understand why the Bulls would've been scared to pick him under the theory of "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, I won't get fooled again." Imagine the heat they would've taken if Smith blows out his knee in the next few years. Here we go again etc.

But, the Knicks passing on him to take some Frenchie who plays the same position? No excuse for that.

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Markannen also looked like he will be a player too. He had 2 solid games and only one clunker. Valentine looked much better once Payne departed also.

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The best part of the Knicks pick is I believe they said their reason for picking him was he was the best fit for the triangle offense, then they fired Phil days after the draft.

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Many people has Smith as potentially the best player in the draft before Summer League. There seemed to be close to a concensus that he was the steal of the draft.

If Summer league means a lot why are you still so reluctant to admit you were wrong about Lonzo?

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I still think he will be a bust. Some of the stuff from the summer league was hype related. He shot a terrible percentage from 3. Shot more airballs than anyone in the Summer League and his defense was porous. He passed the ball very well. I gave him credit for that. There are still holes in his game that need to be corrected before I'm ready to adjust what I said. thought. Of the three guys that I wanted to see him play against he caught a break against 2 and left injured against the 3rd. He played well against Smith but he also showed he couldn't guard him.

Have you come out and said you were wrong about Markannen?

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Why would I say I was wrong about Markannen? He hasn't played a game yet. I think summer league is meaningless, you don't. That's obviously the difference.

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My original point was that I learn more from Summer League than I can from watching a guy in college. I did. I learned that Ball can't shoot. I learned he can't play defense either. I learned that his passing is for real. I still think he will be a bust.

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Top 10 picks or all lottery picks or any rookies. Doesn't matter

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Let's do it like this so as to avoid ambiguity. I will state who I think the Rookie of the Year will be. I will also provide first team all rookie. You tell me if you agree or disagree.

ROY Fultz

First team all rookie

Fultz
Tatum
Josh Jackson
Dennis Smith
Fox


Ball will underperform. Father predicted ROY and playoff berth. Nowhere near either.


Second team. Ball
ISAAC
Markannen
Luke Kennard
Donovan Mitchell.

Overperform underperform is too ambiguous.


Give your predictions or else leave it alone all together.

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ROY
Lonzo Ball

Rookie First Team
Lonzo
Dennis Smith
Ben Simmons
Tatum
Zach Collins

Rookie Second Team
Fulz
Fox
Bam Adebayo
Josh Jackson
Jarrett Allen

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It is kind of funny that you think Summer League is informative, I don't, Lonzo wins Summer League MVP, and I think he will be good and you think he won't be.

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Lonzo Ball shot 38% from the field

23% from 3

5 turnovers per game.

Shitty defense.

He wasn't the best player in that Summer league.

There was a lot of hype associated with that award. He also averaged 32 minutes per. Really more than that if you exclude the last game where he was injured.

I forgot that Simmons is a rookie. I will revise it. Put him on the first team and remove Fox.

We will see where we are at the end of the year.

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Im not saying Ball will be great as a rookie. But voters love counting stats(see Westbrook as MVP) and Lonzo will easily put up the best traditional numbers. The advanced numbers might not be as kind to him but voters vote based on traditional stats. If he averaged something around 16-9-5 he's pretty much a lock for it imo.

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Shakes you have strong opinions on this rookie class so feel free to drop in your predictions as well

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LTG has a very closed mind

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He also will have the ball (no pun intended) from day one. Simmons and Fultz will have to share it with each other and Embiid. Tatum will play behind Hayward. He also plays on a contending team. Ball plays for a shitty team with only one player that is established.

Be that as it may I'm betting on him to perform badly. That shot is broke as hell and his defense stinks. Can't guard a mop bucket. They are already conceding that they will have to do the Steph Curry with him. KCP has already been anointed as the "designated get fucked up man". He will take all of the tough assignments as they try and hide Ball on defense.

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As opposed to you who is not particularly of sound mind.

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Steph has two rings. If Lonzo is the offensive player Steph is he's gonna make 12 all star games and probably win multiple rings as well.

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Steve Kerr has 5. You bash guys like Okafor and others for not playing defense while lauding the poster child for guys that don't play defense.

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