Disagree. People always predict the demise of "bla bla bla". And shortly after they do, "bla bla bla" becomes an "undervalued asset", as the kid GM's like to say. If any of these big kids today were smart, they'd start perfecting their post footwork and finishes. If there was a truly dominant center in the league today, he'd more than make up for his inability to "keep up" by being completely unstoppable on offense.

I agree with this. Any day in which Brad Miller is considered to be a better and more valuable player than Shaquillle O'neal is a fucked up day.

Who said that? My guess would be nobody did.

The demise of the low post power forward is here to stay, however.

Brent Barry said that "plodding" big men don't have a place in today's NBA and at best they will be bench players going forward.

I think he's thinking of guys like Jahlil Okafor. It's pretty disingenuous to act like he was talking about Shaq when saying "plodding big man".

So yeah, nobody said Brad Miller would be more valuable than Shaq. More fake news from LTG. Very sad.

Using that as an example but it just can t be Okafor. Shaq was strictly a low post center too.

Shaq is also universally regarded as one of the best players to ever play. Nobody is going to be dumb enough to publicly say he wouldn't be great if playing today. You don't have to put words in guys mouths because you don't like the point they are making.

Barry's memories are exaggerating. "Plodding" big men have time to get back if you have good defensive wing players who attack the ball handler and pressure before halfcourt. Nowadays, ball handlers are allowed to dribble upcourt without so much as a fucking cough in their vicinity.

Barry's memories are exaggerating. "Plodding" big men have time to get back if you have good defensive wing players who attack the ball handler and pressure before halfcourt. Nowadays, ball handlers are allowed to dribble upcourt without so much as a fucking cough in their vicinity.

Either Low Post Centers are valued or they aren't. You can't selectively choose what constitutes value as you go along.

That's a dumb opinion. You can(and should) say that low post centers have less value today than they used to while still acknowledging a guy like Shaq would obviously be great in whatever decade he played.

It seems to me that not too long ago, the pass first point guard was on it's way out as well, so...

He specifically said Low Post Centers. It's the thinking that says Noel is better than Okafor strictly because he can defend screen roll better. That's a dumb opinion.

Noel is better than Okafor and basically every stat and metric would support that opinion. Okafor averages less than 8 rebounds per 36 minutes. That's atrocious. Noel isn't great but he's proven himself to be a valuable rotation player. Okafor is on his way out of the league at the rate he is going.

Noel is better than Okafor and basically every stat and metric would support that opinion. Okafor averages less than 8 rebounds per 36 minutes. That's atrocious. Noel isn't great but he's proven himself to be a valuable rotation player. Okafor is on his way out of the league at the rate he is going.

This is a bad sports thought.

I hate that way of thinking too.

You have no idea what he's been offered and by who. All we know is that he hasn't agreed to an offer sheet yet. He obviously has been made some type of offer by now.

Okafor averaged 18 points per 36 minutes last year. Noel averaged 14.5. Meanwhile Noel was one of the top defensive players in the league by opposing players FG%, Okafor was one of the worst. Noel is a better rebounder. This is exactly why advanced metrics do have value despite some people insisting otherwise. The advanced metrics make it clear how bad Okafor is. As I said, Noel isn't great. Okafor is just terrible.

There is what I do know. He was traded for Justin Anderson. Justin Anderson probably won't see much of the court this year. Illustrative of how little value Noel actually has.

It's even more prevalent in the NFL. I've heard for at least 20 years how running games will just be obsolete in the future.

Justin Anderson was the 4th most valuable asset they got back. A throw in. He was traded for him, an expiring contract, and two second round picks, mainly because they had three centers because Sam Hinkie is a dumbass. Embiid was clearly the best of the three and Okafor had destroyed any trade value he had during the season so the Noel deal made sense. If you look at nba writers who covered it the concensus is that the Mavericks got a great deal too.

How valuable do you think I suggested Noel is? Might want to check again on that.

You suggested that he was more valuable than Okafor. He doesn't have one discernible offensive skill. If Okafor has no value as Noel had, he'd already have been traded.