Actually, everyone did.

lol right? I forgot about that part of LTG's idiocy. Hayward to the Celtics was the worst kept secret in the NBA this offseason.

No one knows if Paul George will be a Laker next season

No deal is done til it's done.

Even if that were the case then why would Ainge target Hayward over top 10 Jimmy Butler? Remember when the deal killer was Jae Crowder? Well he sure had no problem dealing him for Irving.

No matter what rationale you use the market was set by the trades involved. Everything else is simply speculation Cleveland decided to trade him for a guy that was a 2nd team all NBA guy and Paxson settled for a guy coming off an ACL injury. Paxson haters will point to this as a sign of his ineptitude but rationale. more objective types like me tend to see it as getting fair "market" value for your asset.

Well, and Brad Stevens.

and he's locked up for 4 years whereas Butler is going to enter FA soon.



But nope, according to LTG none of these factors matter.

Why would Ainge target Hayward over Jimmy Butler? Hmm, maybe because he could get Hayward without having to give up any assets.

I think Butler may have a year or 2 left playing at a high level before his body breaks down. I think Kyrie is good for about 10 years before that happens to him. Last season Butler was better and he may be this season. Trades aren't usually made based on what you've done in the past. They are generally made based on what a player may do in the future. I would resign Kyrie long term. I wouldn't touch Thomas and would hesitate to give Butler more than a 3 year deal.

Butler won't make the All Star team this year.

Butler won't make the All Star team this year.

Well, he's going to be playing in a better conference with more competition (for All-Star spots) and going to a team that has just a bit more talent than the Bulls (#'s may go down), so yea there's a decent shot he won't

I said the only reason the Bulls would have no chance at landing Irving was because the only halfway desirable player on their enitre roster was Butler. I didn't make any kind of claim about Dieng or Gobert at all, never mind being centerpieces of such a trade. But I agree with you now, passing on Gobert to draft Snell or Green to draft Marquis Teague were A-plus rational moves by the perpetual victims in the front office!

Nope. You said that it wouldn't take an All Star Caliber. It obviously did or else he wouldn't have been moved. Also required a high draft pick. I know everything is a GarPax bash fest with you but you missed on this one.

I said it wouldn't require one by default and gave you multiple examples of all-star level talent in fact being traded for non all-star level talent. You were on your soapbox about Cowley and how the Bulls could've never hoped to attain Irving anyway yet were also on your GarPax excuse-fest.

Kyrie Irving, John Paxson, Michael Reinsdorf, Gar Forman, and Fred Hoiberg are all bitches.

If he were traded for an All Star then obviously an All Star was required. That doesn't make sense and no other trade is relevant to his when it comes to that.

Vegan he is nothing without LeBron and he will never be the best player on a team that gets past the first round. The famous words of a once great poster.

Never said that. Always said it would matter where he ended up. Got himself traded to the second best team in the conference so now he'll likely ride the coattails of that team to some playoff appearances just like he did with LBJ. He's still a bitch though and he'll never win a ring as the best player.

Never said that. Always said it would matter where he ended up. Got himself traded to the second best team in the conference so now he'll likely ride the coattails of that team to some playoff appearances just like he did with LBJ. He's still a bitch though and he'll never win a ring as the best player.

Ride what coattails? Who will be better than him on that team?

Their general makeup. Second best team in the east last year and they won't be worse than 4 this year despite being led by a guy who hasn't done shit as the lead in his career.

He's gonna ride the coattails of Boston's general makeup? This doesn't make any sense.

Also, the entire team in Boston is different this year than last.