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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:21 pm 
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Oh ok. Now I understand. I guess if you completely ingnore efficiency and shooting percentages, and think there are only five stats in basketball, I can see how you can come under the impression that it's not even a close comparison between the two.

I dunno, I'm old fashioned I guess. I watch the games. I've seen Kyrie go toe to toe with the best players in the NBA on the biggest stage in the NBA. Haven't seen Russ do that.

I guess I'm not as advanced in my NBA fandom.

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I watch the games.


:lol: This is such a BS response.

Yeah none of the rest of us in this thread ever watch the NBA...

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I watch the games.


:lol: This is such a BS response.

Yeah none of the rest of us in this thread ever watch the NBA...

Never said no one else did. Don't get so sensitive.

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Only thing Kyrie can do better than Westbrook is dribble. Dribbling didn't get The Professor far.

Did you forget that shooting was part of basketball?


I include that in overall scoring. :wink:


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I watch the games.


:lol: This is such a BS response.

Yeah none of the rest of us in this thread ever watch the NBA...

Never said no one else did. Don't get so sensitive.

Not sensitive at all.

It just always makes me laugh to see you use that response. You go to that one alot. Your NBA watching eye is FAR SUPERIOR :lol:

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I guess FF is advanced and old school at the same time.

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Not sensitive at all.

It just always makes me laugh to see you use that response. You go to that one alot. Your NBA watching eye is FAR SUPERIOR :lol:

Well, watching the games is going to give you a lot better idea of what is happening than reading box scores. When people start claiming that Westbrook is so much better than Kyrie that it's not close, it's fair to question whether they watch the games.

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Took awhile but it's good to admit you finally view LeBron as a god.


Where is LBJ on that list? You okay, bro?

And now you're back to denying the reference you made four minutes ago. Very sad.


This alleged banning has possibly messed with your memory. Let me refresh it. One poster here thinks Kyrie Irving is God's greatest gift to basketball. I'm just here to provide balance to that warped perspective, however sarcastically so. And by the way, that poster isn't you... though you may be joining forces. Who knows.



No God but to hear you tell it the entire league owes their career to LeBron James.

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Kyrie is a top 15 to 20 player.



I have him as a top ten player currently. He would never achieve that distinction playing with LeBron.

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Westbrook is a better basketball player than Kyrie.

And it is not even close.



It's closer than you think actually. I'm a Westbrook fan and if he is better it isn't by much.

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Westbrook is a better basketball player than Kyrie.

And it is not even close.



It's closer than you think actually. I'm a Westbrook fan and if he is better it isn't by much.


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Took awhile but it's good to admit you finally view LeBron as a god.


Where is LBJ on that list? You okay, bro?

And now you're back to denying the reference you made four minutes ago. Very sad.


This alleged banning has possibly messed with your memory. Let me refresh it. One poster here thinks Kyrie Irving is God's greatest gift to basketball. I'm just here to provide balance to that warped perspective, however sarcastically so. And by the way, that poster isn't you... though you may be joining forces. Who knows.



No God but to hear you tell it the entire league owes their career to LeBron James.


It's true for a lot of people, at least in terms of team success. Love, Bosh, Irving, and all those role players aren't champs without LBJ.

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It's true for a lot of people, at least in terms of team success. Love, Bosh, Irving, and all those role players aren't champs without LBJ.

So what? Is Lebron a champ if not for Kyrie, Bosh, Love, Wade, Ray Allen, etc? No, he isn't.

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If Kyrie tries really hard this season maybe he can make the second team all NBA for the first time.


Why do you put any significance on who makes the first, second, and third all NBA team? When Wade and LeBron were in Miami, Wade made the 2nd team in their first year playing together (Derrick and Kobe were 1st team). Wade was 3rd team the next two seasons. Then nothing.


Well all NBA means a lot, much more than all star games, but I'm only mentioning it here in the context of Westbrook vs Irving. Westbrook has more individual accolades and achievements but he's also been in the league longer. Let's see Irving distinguish himself from Wall and Thomas before we get into Westbrook.

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It's true for a lot of people, at least in terms of team success. Love, Bosh, Irving, and all those role players aren't champs without LBJ.

So what? Is Lebron a champ if not for Kyrie, Bosh, Love, Wade, Ray Allen, etc? No, he isn't.


All those players are disposable. LBJ is not. Evidence? LBJ is the common denominator between all Eastern teams that went to the finals since 2010.

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It's true for a lot of people, at least in terms of team success. Love, Bosh, Irving, and all those role players aren't champs without LBJ.

So what? Is Lebron a champ if not for Kyrie, Bosh, Love, Wade, Ray Allen, etc? No, he isn't.


All those players are disposable. LBJ is not. Evidence? LBJ is the common denominator between all Eastern teams that went to the finals since 2010.

If LBJ isn't disposable, then why do teams without him beat his teams more often than not in the Finals?

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It's true for a lot of people, at least in terms of team success. Love, Bosh, Irving, and all those role players aren't champs without LBJ.

So what? Is Lebron a champ if not for Kyrie, Bosh, Love, Wade, Ray Allen, etc? No, he isn't.


All those players are disposable. LBJ is not. Evidence? LBJ is the common denominator between all Eastern teams that went to the finals since 2010.

If LBJ isn't disposable, then why do teams without him beat his teams more often than not in the Finals?


Not my argument. If LBJ is on your team from 2010-2017 then you're either winning the finals or playing in it. Can't say the same for anyone else in the league. That's why everyone else on his teams is disposable but he's not.

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That's why everyone else on his teams is disposable but he's not.

If LBJ isn't disposable, then why do teams without him beat his teams more often than not in the Finals?

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That's why everyone else on his teams is disposable but he's not.

If LBJ isn't disposable, then why do teams without him beat his teams more often than not in the Finals?


Again not my argument. I'm talking about his relevance to the teams he's on and not the teams he's faced. Do you want to go back into time and tell the heat or Cavs that LBJ is disposable so let's trade him for Kawhi Leonard or whomever else? Go ahead. That team isn't duplicating what LBJ has done though.

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That's why everyone else on his teams is disposable but he's not.

If LBJ isn't disposable, then why do teams without him beat his teams more often than not in the Finals?


Again not my argument. I'm talking about his relevance to the teams he's on and not the teams he's faced. Do you want to go back into time and tell the heat or Cavs that LBJ is disposable so let's trade him for Kawhi Leonard or whomever else? Go ahead. That team isn't duplicating what LBJ has done though.

It doesn't matter whether it's your argument. It's a valid question when you keep repeating LBJ isn't disposable. He clearly is.

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That's why everyone else on his teams is disposable but he's not.

If LBJ isn't disposable, then why do teams without him beat his teams more often than not in the Finals?


Again not my argument. I'm talking about his relevance to the teams he's on and not the teams he's faced. Do you want to go back into time and tell the heat or Cavs that LBJ is disposable so let's trade him for Kawhi Leonard or whomever else? Go ahead. That team isn't duplicating what LBJ has done though.

It doesn't matter whether it's your argument. It's a valid question when you keep repeating LBJ isn't disposable. He clearly is.


It's an absurd proposition because then every player is disposable. You've got to define limits. Anyway feel free man. LBJ's seven straight finals, eight overall, with three wins speaks for itself.

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I've said it before, but LeBron is the Oscar Robertson of his generation. Oscar found the going tough at 35. I remember watching back tape of Bucks/Celtics and he was out of shape and huffing up and down the court. Couldn't win a second title with Kareem. Although that had a lot to do with Lucius Allen getting hurt.

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It's an absurd proposition because then every player is disposable. You've got to define limits. Anyway feel free man. LBJ's seven straight finals, eight overall, with three wins speaks for itself.

Correct. Just bringing you back down to Earth from your insane over the top lebron love.

I like for my stars to win the Finals they make it to. You a big Buffalo Bills from the 90's guy too?

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Oscar found the going tough at 35. I remember watching back tape of Bucks/Celtics and he was out of shape and huffing up and down the court.

Pretty monumental difference between the offseason training regimens of the two. Pretty sure LeBron's gonna be fine at age 35.

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It's an absurd proposition because then every player is disposable. You've got to define limits. Anyway feel free man. LBJ's seven straight finals, eight overall, with three wins speaks for itself.

Correct. Just bringing you back down to Earth from your insane over the top lebron love.

I like for my stars to win the Finals they make it to. You a big Buffalo Bills from the 90's guy too?


What's over the top? All I'm doing is pointing out he's had the EC on lock since 2010. That's a fact. You've got a guy in here who gave him a "C' in 2015 when he won the finals. Again when he won the finals. With that kinda anti LeBron sentiment I guess someone pointing out facts like I am is gonna stick out.

And it's a separate discussion, but yeah what I think the Bills did is pretty remarkable even though they never won. Let me put it this way: im giving that gm and coach a raise if I'm the president at that time. How could you not?

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What's over the top? All I'm doing is pointing out he's had the EC on lock since 2010. That's a fact. You've got a guy in here who gave him a "C' in 2015 when he won the finals. Again when he won the finals. With that kinda anti LeBron sentiment I guess someone pointing out facts like I am is gonna stick out.

Saying LeBron is indisposable.

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LeBron hasn't exactly had to defeat many juggernauts during his glorious runs to the finals. It would be much more impressive had he done it in the West. He also has had the benefit of playing with 4 guys that will be in the Hall of Fame at some point.

Bosh wasn't a role player either. James also bailed on Miami once the going got a little rough. The last 2 seasons his been beaten at his own game. First Durant now Irving.

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LeBron hasn't exactly had to defeat many juggernauts during his glorious runs to the finals. It would be much more impressive had he done it in the West. He also has had the benefit of playing with 4 guys that will be in the Hall of Fame at some point.

Bosh wasn't a role player either. James also bailed on Miami once the going got a little rough. The last 2 seasons his been beaten at his own game. First Durant now Irving.


Doing it 7 years in the row can't be dismissed even if you aren't a LeBron fan. He's played for a championship for nearly his entire career.

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LeBron hasn't exactly had to defeat many juggernauts during his glorious runs to the finals. It would be much more impressive had he done it in the West. He also has had the benefit of playing with 4 guys that will be in the Hall of Fame at some point.

Bosh wasn't a role player either. James also bailed on Miami once the going got a little rough. The last 2 seasons his been beaten at his own game. First Durant now Irving.


Doing it 7 years in the row can't be dismissed even if you aren't a LeBron fan. He's played for a championship for nearly his entire career.

I'm not dismissing it but I think it's a very poor argument in favor of LeBron. If you're basing his greatness on winning he's obviously a long way behind Jordan, Kobe, Duncan, Magic, and others.

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