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Author:  FavreFan [ Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:39 pm ]
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long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
I've been on the Amare hate train for years now. There's other posts out there, but search can only find posts since the cutover to Chicago Fanatics. I always said thank goodness the Bulls struck out on Amare and ended up with the consolation prize of Boozer. Boozer was bad money, but Amare was so much worse.



Amare was never held accountable for the failure to go far in the playoffs. He was making 20 mil a year. Its one thing to think its a bad contract but its another thing to hold him accountable for the losing.

He pretty much never played for them after 2011, right? Like 10 games a year or something? It sounds weird to blame him personally for that. It's the team's fault for signing him.



Being paid as a max player and not contributimg anything was much more responsible for the failure to win than Anthony being a guy you cant win with.

Sure. But it’s weird to blame a guy for being hurt.

By that logic Embiid is more responsible for the Sixers struggles this year than anyone else.
Author:  FavreFan [ Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:24 pm ]
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Author:  IMU [ Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:08 pm ]
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Those same Knicks were at their best when Amare was there. So why are we blaming Amare for the poor Carmelo years when Carmelo was worse after Amare was gone?
Author:  Nas [ Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:13 pm ]
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True. They gutted halve of their team to get Marshmelo. I believe Denver made the playoffs and advanced that year too.
Author:  long time guy [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:41 am ]
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IMU wrote:
Those same Knicks were at their best when Amare was there. So why are we blaming Amare for the poor Carmelo years when Carmelo was worse after Amare was gone?


They were .500 the only year he was actually good. That was for about 60 games. They were out of the playoffs and Carmelo helped them make the playoffs. Carmelo Anthony propelled the Knicks to the best record that they have had in the last 20 years.

That's a fact. Facts are foreign to you however.
Author:  long time guy [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Carmelo Traded to Thunder
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
I've been on the Amare hate train for years now. There's other posts out there, but search can only find posts since the cutover to Chicago Fanatics. I always said thank goodness the Bulls struck out on Amare and ended up with the consolation prize of Boozer. Boozer was bad money, but Amare was so much worse.



Amare was never held accountable for the failure to go far in the playoffs. He was making 20 mil a year. Its one thing to think its a bad contract but its another thing to hold him accountable for the losing.

He pretty much never played for them after 2011, right? Like 10 games a year or something? It sounds weird to blame him personally for that. It's the team's fault for signing him.



Being paid as a max player and not contributimg anything was much more responsible for the failure to win than Anthony being a guy you cant win with.

Sure. But it’s weird to blame a guy for being hurt.

By that logic Embiid is more responsible for the Sixers struggles this year than anyone else.


He is and I'm an Embiid guy. You have to play however. Especially if you are a big money guy. Just like Rose. I dont blame guys for getting injured but you have to play.


Here is an apropo analogy. That would be the equivalent of blamimg Luol or Noah for the Bulls struggles at the time.

When your best players are injured its going to impact the team.
Author:  IMU [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:57 am ]
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long time guy wrote:
IMU wrote:
Those same Knicks were at their best when Amare was there. So why are we blaming Amare for the poor Carmelo years when Carmelo was worse after Amare was gone?


They were .500 the only year he was actually good. That was for about 60 games. They were out of the playoffs and Carmelo helped them make the playoffs. Carmelo Anthony propelled the Knicks to the best record that they have had in the last 20 years.

That's a fact. Facts are foreign to you however.

That was an opinion. I gave a fact.
Author:  long time guy [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:36 pm ]
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IMU wrote:
long time guy wrote:
IMU wrote:
Those same Knicks were at their best when Amare was there. So why are we blaming Amare for the poor Carmelo years when Carmelo was worse after Amare was gone?


They were .500 the only year he was actually good. That was for about 60 games. They were out of the playoffs and Carmelo helped them make the playoffs. Carmelo Anthony propelled the Knicks to the best record that they have had in the last 20 years.

That's a fact. Facts are foreign to you however.

That was an opinion. I gave a fact.


The Knicks were at their best when Amare was there isn't a factual statement. Maybe to you it is.
Author:  IMU [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:10 pm ]
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Fact: Carmelo's best record with the Knicks was when Amare was on the team.
Author:  long time guy [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:29 pm ]
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IMU wrote:
Fact: Carmelo's best record with the Knicks was when Amare was on the team.


He missed close to 2/3rds of their games that season. Its not much of a stretch if a person claims that he wasnt there.

I must have missed where Amare was the guy who finished 3rd in MVP voting.

Its also a fact that Carmelo Antbony has won the majority of

the basketball games in which he has participated since becoming a professional basketball player.
Author:  IMU [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:43 pm ]
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long time guy wrote:
Its also a fact that Carmelo Antbony has won the majority of the basketball games in which he has participated since becoming a professional basketball player.


Just so you know, Jimmy Butler's career winning percentage is 58.1%, versus Carmelo's 54.9%.
Author:  long time guy [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:49 pm ]
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IMU wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Its also a fact that Carmelo Antbony has won the majority of the basketball games in which he has participated since becoming a professional basketball player.


Just so you know, Jimmy Butler's career winning percentage is 58.1%, versus Carmelo's 54.9%.


Not as his team's best player it isn't. Nice try though.
Author:  IMU [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:06 pm ]
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More of my facts countered by more of your opinions. Very sad.
Author:  long time guy [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:19 pm ]
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IMU wrote:
More of my facts countered by more of your opinions. Very sad.


Fact. Bulls record was 2 games over .500 the last 2 seasons.

Last 2 seasons it was known as "Jimmy's team"
Author:  FavreFan [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:04 pm ]
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long time guy wrote:
IMU wrote:
More of my facts countered by more of your opinions. Very sad.


Fact. Bulls record was 2 games over .500 the last 2 seasons.

Last 2 seasons it was known as "Jimmy's team"

Fact. Knicks record was 38 games under .500 the last two seasons.

Last 2 seasons it was known as “Carmelo’s team”

IMU and Jimmy B win again.
Author:  long time guy [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:13 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
IMU wrote:
More of my facts countered by more of your opinions. Very sad.


Fact. Bulls record was 2 games over .500 the last 2 seasons.

Last 2 seasons it was known as "Jimmy's team"

Fact. Knicks record was 38 games under .500 the last two seasons.

Last 2 seasons it was known as “Carmelo’s team”

IMU and Jimmy B win again.



During each season that Carmelo played with the Knicks save one their winning petcentage was better when he played. Fact.

Continue the false narrative regarding making teams worse.
Author:  FavreFan [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:23 pm ]
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long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
IMU wrote:
More of my facts countered by more of your opinions. Very sad.


Fact. Bulls record was 2 games over .500 the last 2 seasons.

Last 2 seasons it was known as "Jimmy's team"

Fact. Knicks record was 38 games under .500 the last two seasons.

Last 2 seasons it was known as “Carmelo’s team”

IMU and Jimmy B win again.



During each season that Carmelo played with the Knicks save one their winning petcentage was better when he played. Fact.

Continue the false narrative regarding making teams worse.

:lol: :lol:

I’m glad we are holding HALL OF FAMERS to such high standards.

“His team was usually better with him than without him.” Good to know!
Author:  long time guy [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:32 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
IMU wrote:
More of my facts countered by more of your opinions. Very sad.


Fact. Bulls record was 2 games over .500 the last 2 seasons.

Last 2 seasons it was known as "Jimmy's team"

Fact. Knicks record was 38 games under .500 the last two seasons.

Last 2 seasons it was known as “Carmelo’s team”

IMU and Jimmy B win again.



During each season that Carmelo played with the Knicks save one their winning petcentage was better when he played. Fact.

Continue the false narrative regarding making teams worse.

:lol: :lol:

I’m glad we are holding HALL OF FAMERS to such high standards.

“His team was usually better with him than without him.” Good to know!


Well it does counter the false narrative that regarding making teams worse. His teams in New York were much better with him than they were without him.

During the 54 win season they won 70% of their games with him and less than 50% of them without him. 2 years ago they were 32-40 with him and 0-10 without him.
Author:  conns7901 [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:35 pm ]
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long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
IMU wrote:
More of my facts countered by more of your opinions. Very sad.


Fact. Bulls record was 2 games over .500 the last 2 seasons.

Last 2 seasons it was known as "Jimmy's team"

Fact. Knicks record was 38 games under .500 the last two seasons.

Last 2 seasons it was known as “Carmelo’s team”

IMU and Jimmy B win again.



During each season that Carmelo played with the Knicks save one their winning petcentage was better when he played. Fact.

Continue the false narrative regarding making teams worse.

:lol: :lol:

I’m glad we are holding HALL OF FAMERS to such high standards.

“His team was usually better with him than without him.” Good to know!


Well it does counter the false narrative that regarding making teams worse. His teams in New York were much better with him than they were without him.

During the 54 win season they won 70% of their games with him and less than 50% of them without him. 2 years ago they were 32-40 with him and 0-10 without him.


Much better? How many playoff series he win in New York?
Author:  FavreFan [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:36 pm ]
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Well Carmelo left the Knicks and they look to be about 10-15 games better without him.

Butler left the Bulls and they look to be 15-20 games worse without him.

Proof is in the pudding.
Author:  long time guy [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:45 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Well Carmelo left the Knicks and they look to be about 10-15 games better without him.

Butler left the Bulls and they look to be 15-20 games worse without him.

Proof is in the pudding.



They also lost Wade and Rondo. 4 out of the 8 best players (including the guy regarded as their best player) Have missed significant time this year.

Its obvious that Rondo was the more valuable player during last season's playoff with Boston.
Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:00 pm ]
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long time guy wrote:
Denver isn't good enough defensively to be considered good and Portland is talent deficient once you get past Lillard and McCullough.



This talent deficient team isn’t even playing with Lillard and they’re kicking the Thunder’s ass in OKC. Sad!
Author:  long time guy [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:11 pm ]
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Russell Westbrook is part of the problem.
Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:14 pm ]
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long time guy wrote:
Russell Westbrook is part of the problem.

Nobody ever says this about Steph.
Author:  long time guy [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:16 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Russell Westbrook is part of the problem.

Nobody ever says this about Steph.



Stephen A. said it about him during the Finals 2 seasons ago. I know he is an idiot a moron a blowhard and no one takes anything he says seriously. Yadda Yadda Yadda.
Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:18 pm ]
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long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Russell Westbrook is part of the problem.

Nobody ever says this about Steph.



Stephen A. said it about him during the Finals 2 seasons ago. I know he is an idiot a moron a blowhard and no one takes anything he says seriously. Yadda Yadda Yadda.

Well yeah, he is.

Nobody who’s not a blowhard moron says it about Steph, and even blowhard morons aren’t saying it still.
Author:  long time guy [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:21 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Russell Westbrook is part of the problem.

Nobody ever says this about Steph.



Stephen A. said it about him during the Finals 2 seasons ago. I know he is an idiot a moron a blowhard and no one takes anything he says seriously. Yadda Yadda Yadda.

Well yeah, he is.

Nobody who’s not a blowhard moron says it about Steph, and even blowhard morons aren’t saying it still.


He knows basketball. He played basketball and his criticisms of Curry were legitimate. You just said no one ever said that about Curry and i gave you a person who has said that about Curry.
Author:  long time guy [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:22 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Russell Westbrook is part of the problem.

Nobody ever says this about Steph.



Stephen A. said it about him during the Finals 2 seasons ago. I know he is an idiot a moron a blowhard and no one takes anything he says seriously. Yadda Yadda Yadda.

Well yeah, he is.

Nobody who’s not a blowhard moron says it about Steph, and even blowhard morons aren’t saying it still.


He knows basketball. He played basketball and his criticisms of Curry were legitimate. You just said no one ever said that about Curry and i gave you a person who has said that about Curry.
Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:25 pm ]
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long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Russell Westbrook is part of the problem.

Nobody ever says this about Steph.



Stephen A. said it about him during the Finals 2 seasons ago. I know he is an idiot a moron a blowhard and no one takes anything he says seriously. Yadda Yadda Yadda.

Well yeah, he is.

Nobody who’s not a blowhard moron says it about Steph, and even blowhard morons aren’t saying it still.


He knows basketball. He played basketball and his criticisms of Curry were legitimate. You just said no one ever said that about Curry and i gave you a person who has said that about Curry.

Read better. I said nobody SAYS - present tense - it about Curry.

And Stephen A is a dipshit troll. No wonder you like him.
Author:  long time guy [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:29 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Russell Westbrook is part of the problem.

Nobody ever says this about Steph.



Stephen A. said it about him during the Finals 2 seasons ago. I know he is an idiot a moron a blowhard and no one takes anything he says seriously. Yadda Yadda Yadda.

Well yeah, he is.

Nobody who’s not a blowhard moron says it about Steph, and even blowhard morons aren’t saying it still.


He knows basketball. He played basketball and his criticisms of Curry were legitimate. You just said no one ever said that about Curry and i gave you a person who has said that about Curry.

Read better. I said nobody SAYS - present tense - it about Curry.

And Stephen A is a dipshit troll. No wonder you like him.


The quote makes no sense. They have a winning team. ZaZa Pachulia and Javale Mcgee aren't seen as problems either.

Present tense isn't relevant either. Winning teams have different perceptions. Guys will always be overrated. Nothing revelatory on that.

I'm also sure that Stephen A. has never suggested that Nerlens Noel was good at professional basketball either.
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