Lonzo is already better than the third best player on his team.

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No he isn't.

Randle
Kuzma
It
Ingram are all better.

Lopez is better also. It is interesting to not that the Lakers are one of the better teams in the league since Jan. He hasn't been around for a great deal of it and they won games anyway.

The same guys that we were told were garbage all season long are the ones mostly impacting the games. All of those ball stopping iso guys. All you had to do was watch the game last night to see just what his value happened to be. Most people seem to have lost interest in this thread given all the garbage about "greatness". I might be inferring but really I'm not. He isn't anywhere near ROY or first team all rookie. Isn't the best rookie on his own team either.

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Lonzo is currently better than all of those players. And in terms of overall careers, Isaiah Thomas might be the only competition.

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“Brook Lopez is better than Lonzo Ball.”

An ostensibly serious basketball thought I heard espoused today. Didn’t think I’d see that.

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He is. Ball the great hasn't taken shape this year. Might want to try again next year. Been wrong at every turn.

Isn't ROY
Isn't 1st team All Rookie.

Might be time to regroup and rethink.

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This is a terrible troll job. Maybe it isn't. Who knows ultimately.

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Giannis also wasn't ROY or 1st team All Rookie. He blows.

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Jerian Grant wasn't ROy or First team either and yes he does stink.

Carmelo Anthony was first team and he doesn't.

Glad to see you're on the Ball bus. Have fun with that. Hopefully his career arc equals that of Michael Carter Williams.

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Or I'm an objective NBA that views him as what he is... a good player. Not an elite player.

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You think he is good. The numbers and lack of accolades suggest otherwise. We will see where he ends up. He has time. I don't think he is good and so far there has been little to disprove it. When he performs better i will change my opinion. I definitely won't be calling him garbage if he makes all star teams or Hall of Fame teams.

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10+ points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists is good. No qualifiers needed. That is very good. He also plays above average defense. He leads his team in BPM. Second to KCP in VORP.

He has room to improve. But he is good. If you don't want to see any adjective between average and great, that is your prerogative. And you will continue to be treated as someone that cannot have a serious discussion.

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To be honest i could care less about perception at this point. The guy thst first stated that he was a "stud" is still stating that he is a stud and he has received little to any pushback for it. If guys like you really want credibilty in this area then you'd pushback on that. I and others left this thread alone when Ball was out and the team was playing well.

He stated that the rest of the team wasn't shit the entire year and has been wrong about that too. Last time i checked

10 7 and 7 for a guy playing 33 min a game is prettt mediocre by the way. Last i checked he avg less than a point per shot attempt. Also mediocre.

less than 50% from the line.

35% from the field. terrible. 7 assist for a guard whose forte is supposed to be passing is terrible. Worse win share percentage of any of the Laker regulars.

Biggest discrepancy between offensive and defensive ratimg of any of the Laker regulars last i checked.

And another thing I was told that he was much better than Tatum also.

Do you care to comment on that? Who's better he or Tatum?

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Time to start looking at the rookie numbers of other guys that weren't good players.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... ibr01.html

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From the guy that incessantly bashes All Stars Hall of Famers and All NBA types while conversely lauding the greatness of journeyman I'm good.

The mere fact that you think he is good is pretty much all the validation that i need. Thanks!

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What part of me saying he isn't elite isn't considered pushback toward shakes?

4 posts in a row. LTG is hitting the sauce hard on NBA on TNT Thursday.

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My point is that its debatable if he is even good. Too early to say whether he is a flop. I will grant that. As it stands now the numbers suggest that he is closer to that than good.

Also saying he isn't elite is different than telling someone they are wrong for thinking it. I've actually been mostly right about Ball. I'm willing to give it a rest until he really shows something.

The goal posts has already been moved in order to avoid telling the guy that he sounds like an utter dumbass. There isn't anyone willing to admit that he will be elite at this point. That is how bad its gotten.

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Nikola Jokic 2018 WS/48: .199
Joel Embiid 2018 WS/48: .151

Nikola Jokic career WS/48: .205
Joel Embiid career WS/48: .140

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Not the same argument. I'm sure you realize that.

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What do you mean? Either the metric has validity in evaluating players or it doesn't.

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Yeah but they aren't on the same team. He has made the argument that Lonzo plays with shitty teammates that cause him to lose games. He also touts his impact relative to other players on the team. How can that be if he has the lowest win share?


Also are you still trying to argue that Jokic is better than Embiid? Its difficult to take you serious when you state stuff like that. Hope you know that.

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Of course I'm still arguing it. It remains true.

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Can't take you serious when you state things like that.

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ok. That's your problem, not mine.

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shakes obviously has.

Also,




For the most part though people here havent said he would be elite outside of shakes. You're imaginary message boarding again.

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If you go back to the Summer there were probably more than just Shakes. He drowns out some of the other ones with the bombast.

There also haven't been Many who have called him out for thinking he was elite either. Very few actual rebuttals. Very few.

To say he is playing well is suspect. Forget elite. There is nothing based on his season numbers that suggest and yet you forge on. If you simply say you like the kid and hope he turns out it would be more credible.

Constant spin jobs and attempting to tell people that what they see isn't what is actually happening makes it difficult to take you seriously.

He stated that he will be better than Tatum do you agree?

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No I dont agree. I like Tatum. He's just not as good as Mitchell.

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Ok

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https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-rookie-power-rankings-ben-simmons-seizes-top-spot-from-lonzo-ball/


Rough week for Lonzo, dropped all the way to #3 in this week's rookie rankings after holding down the top spot last week.

Someone better put this writer in check, he apparently doesn't know that Lonzo is a bust and the 18th best player on the Lakers.

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And then there's Lonzo, who is really starting to live up to the hype. Since returning from his injury he's looked like an All-Star. His shooting, particularly from three, has been really, really impressive for a good while -- well over 40 percent from three over his last 15.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lebron-free-agency-2018-strongest-case-for-each-nba-team-on-james-reported-list/

uh oh, better put this writer in check as well.

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