Again, I never said he isn't good. I said he's probably a HOF'er. I said, for the 5th time, that he wasn't a winner before LBJ.

Again, I never said he isn't good. I said he's probably a HOF'er. I said, for the 5th time, that he wasn't a winner before LBJ.

How old was he before he started playing with LeBron? The guy still super young before LeBron joined him and he was playing with hardly any talent. Kyrie is clearly one of the most talented players in the league and one of the best point guards in the NBA, anyone that isn't biased could admit that.

Again, I never said he isn't good. I said he's probably a HOF'er. I said, for the 5th time, that he wasn't a winner before LBJ.

The only pattern I notice is that you can't say all of what you want to say in one post. Try logging out to gather all your thoughts before logging in to post. I doubt it'd make your posts more coherent but at least the conversation would be easier to follow.

This is the portion where we deviate. In one breath He is probably a Hall of Famer. In the next breath he is nothing more than a youtube sensation, ESPN creation and Championship notation.

Pick a lane. Either you thought he was good or you didn't. You didn't think he was shit and you poohed poohed each of his accomplishments at every turn. You can revise if you want but there is simply too much evidence to the contrary for you to turn back at this stage.

Holding a guy responsible for not winning shit when he played on a team that no one expected to win is pretty low brow.

Eat shit on your last paragraph because that's exactly what you do to Thibs when he won a playoff series against the Nets with Nate Robinson as his playmaker.

You seem to fail to follow distinctions. Every good player doesn't mean that player is a winner. There is no doubt that Kyrie Irving's three finals appearances and one ring is directly tied to LBJ. Before LBJ Irving was nothing in terms of team accomplishments. No shame in that. Kyrie thought otherwise. That makes him a dumb bitch.

His team currently has the best record in the conf while the team he just left is spiraling out of control. Doesn't sound like a "dumb bitch" to me. In addition is the fact that for one of the few times in his career Lebron James is being scrutinized.

The backlash from the NBA community has been pro Kyrie. Guys on that roster have been favorable towards Kyrie.
This shit is blowing up in Lebron's face. Bet you didn't think that would happen.

He got away from the manipulative fuck before he had a chance to screw the franchise again and for some reason you can't get past it.

Boston is trending upwards and with or without Lebron Cleveland is done.

LBJ has been to seven consecutive finals and has the entire conference on lock. Kyrie doesn't have shit on him. Kyrie Irving as the alpha will never duplicate the success he had when he let LBJ run things in Cleveland.

“I’m lost for words, actually,” “They should take us off every nationally televised game for the rest of the season. We haven’t played good ball and we get our butts kicked every time we play on national television, so I’m at a loss for words.”

“That’s not a question for me. I show up to work every day. I bust my tail every day. I’m the first one to get to the gym and I’m one of the last ones to leave,” James said. “I do my part. I control what I can control, and that is what I can control.”

Someone is definitely a bitch in this scenario. Only a demented mind would come to the conclusion it’s Kyrie.

The Cavaliers will be in the Finals.

I can’t bump all threads at all times.

I think we can officially call this trade a disaster for Cleveland. And they will not be back in the Finals.

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Utah has traded Rodney Hood to Cleveland, league source tells ESPN.

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Utah will also send Joe Johnson to Sacramento, and Cleveland will send Jae Crowder and Derek Rose to Utah, league sources tell ESPN. Sacramento sends George Hill to the Cavs.