Not true at all. Durant had it easy because he's playing with three other future hall of famers. LBJ had a delusional midget bitch on one hand and a one dimensional glorified shooter on the other. And neither of those guys play d.

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Convenient excuse which seeks to compensate for the inadequacies of the great LeBron. That's like saying Jordan's defense was porous because he had to cover for Sam Vincent Brad Sellers and Dave Corzine. Jordan was a leading scorer and still one of the better defenders even though he had increased responsibilities.

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So you agree he did in fact have a greater defensive responsibility than Durant was expected to shoulder for Golden State. Good.

I don't think he was an absolute liability on defense given the runs Golden State would go on every time he sat. He definitely didn't play as well as he has in the past and he's no longer close to the elite perimeter defender he once was, but attributing the Cavs' defensive struggles to him primarily is just inaccurate.

LeBron isn't a good defensive player now and hasn't been for years. I hope that's not news to someone who actually follows the league. It's a big reason they couldn't compete with GS last year.

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He didn't guard anyone after 1990. Pippen took care of that. Later on it was Ron Harper. Jordan just shot 35 times a game and rested while "guarding" Stacey Augmon. If Jordan ever tried that senior citizen lame ass turnaround jumper on LBJ then James would smack a bitch.

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It's not inaccurate. It's what happened. You seem to want to have it both ways here. Either LeBron didn't have an increased defensive burden, and the Cavs defensive struggles aren't primarily on him, or he did and they are. Pick a lane amigo, it's hard to respond accurately until you do.

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That's false. He guarded Miller, Drexler, Starks, and Majerle during each of the series in which the Bulls competed against their team. All of that occurred after 91

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Oh snap Starks and Majerle. Bet he prayed before each of those matchups.

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LeBron has been pimping the increased workload angle for years. MANY attribute it to be among the reasons that Irving wanted out. Kyrie tired of Hearing LeBron complain about not having enough help.


If he wins it validates his greatness. If he loses then the other guys didn't hold up their end of the deal.

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Each person listed was an All Star at some point in their career. Drexler was the No 2 shooting guard in the league in 92.

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LeBron got what he wanted. Hope he's happy with that .400 winning %

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No it's not a pick a lane situation. It can be both the case that Lebron had to do more on the defensive end than Durant and also that the Cavs' failure to stop the Warriors as a team is not primarily his fault.

Don't change the narrative now. Midget YouTube bitch wanted out. He probably wanted out because he was mad at LBJ for believing the world is round.

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But it was primarily his fault.

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LeBron as GM model has been an overall failure too. The trade for Love was a mistake. Overpaying for J.R. Smith and Thompson was a mistake. Their franchise will be screwed for Years. Irving was smart to get out ahead of the bus.

Nothing left but a bunch of broken down old guys and an aging superstar.

He will be attempting to latch on with another team next. I wonder if Vegan will be bashing him for it?

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It's not changing the narrative. LeBron bitched frequently about his teammates last season. Now he has new ones.

Anyway, I made a thread to follow this. I'm sure you've seen it

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Michael Jordan bitched about his teammates more than anyone in NBA history. In fact, there’s an entire book dedicated to it.

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Look at the company you've chosen. A guy who believes the world is flat and a guy above who thinks winning a championship merits a C grade. There's still time for you to rejoin the civilized world. And that world can be found in the Kyrie douchebag thread.

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I think that title belongs to Kobe Bryant. Jordan never tried to get guys moved as I recall. LeBron was singlehandedly responsible for Waiters and Wiggins being moved.

Could you imagine how much better they'd be if they had those two now? Still would have money to add quality vets too.

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Can you give an example of him publicly saying he needs more help? Hadn't heard that one.

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Yes, for like 5 minutes each game. The entire narrative during the Bulls’ last three titles was that Michael Jordan couldn’t take anymore minutes. He was aging and tired and had given everything he had for 92 blah blah games. Bob Costas scripted half his pre-game soliloquies on it... “Does the greatest ever have enough left in the tank to finish yet another heroic series?”...

And then it was the Bulls were having him guard Hersey Hawkins or Byron Russell to save his legs for offense because he was such a warrior.

Flip the script, and Lebron is just a crybaby who drives his teammates away.

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Who cares if someone believes some goofy shit? I have a lot of friends who believe some goofy shit.

On the court, Kyrie's new team is having a much better season this his old team 10 games in. Off the court stuff is irrelevant.

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It was the 90’s dude. You’re old enough to remember that it was different. If Jordan played today, he’d be hung out to dry as a womanizer, a gambler, someone who undermined teammates, and an all-around asshole. Hell, it’s part of the reason I love him.

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Jordan never tried to move guys. He also brushed his teeth every night and never missed curfew.

I'd gladly exchange the ring I actually won for the chance to win one down the road with Wiggins and Waiters.

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Got that backwards my friend. Lebron ditches his teammates. He has a history of doing it and this summer will make it the third time. Kyrie obviously saw the writing on the wall and left before he could get left behind with a team built around LeBron also. Smart move.

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I disagree completely with that. Part of the reason he will remain a legend is because he never asked for help or sold out his teammates, and every star player outside of San Antonio since has to some degree.

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You said 90 and the series against Drexler occurred in 92. He guarded Drexler the entire series.

Anymore minutes? I will pull his minutes with the Wizards. According to my main man Sam Smith Jordan was logging heavy minutes even while he was pushing 40. let's see if he is correct.

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Jordan sitting at 40 would defeat the whole purpose of playing at 40.

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Aha! Seems old Sam was right

https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... ami01.html


Jordan's last season he played all 82 and avg 37 minutes per game. At 40

LeBron has taken games off in order to rest the last 3 seasons.

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