Rodman wasn’t in any way “washed up”. He was older, but he played as well as his prime.

If you prefer he was a "low value" player prior to coming to Chicago, which is why the Spurs traded him for a backup center.

Jordan played on manufactured teams.

If you prefer he was a "low value" player prior to coming to Chicago, which is why the Spurs traded him for a backup center.

Revisionist. As JORR suggested, Rodman was traded because he was a headcase/locker room cancer. The Spurs were at a disadvantage when trying to sell him and the Bulls capitalized.

If you prefer he was a "low value" player prior to coming to Chicago, which is why the Spurs traded him for a backup center.

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So his value wasn't what he was traded for.

His value was at that level because of locker room/off the court issues. There was zero chance he was returning to the Spurs because the team was done with him. The entire league knew this, so there was no reason for any team to come forward and put together a package with meaningful players or draft picks. Most teams probably hesitated to even consider making an offer for him because of how destructive he was in San Antonio. The Bulls had strong leadership, so they knew they could make the gamble of acquiring someone with his talent, even knowing about the possible issues that would probably come about.

You pretty much described a "low value" player there. As you said, most teams probably didn't even want to make an offer.

I understand it worked out great for Chicago but it was questionable at best at the time if Rodman would provide anything more than a distraction and some rebounds.

You pretty much described a "low value" player there. As you said, most teams probably didn't even want to make an offer.

I understand it worked out great for Chicago but it was questionable at best at the time if Rodman would provide anything more than a distraction and some rebounds.

What are we talking about here? Your original post on the subject was the suggestion that Jordan was carrying bums and washed up guys.

Don't try to Juice your way through this discussion with your "value" semantics. You called him washed up. Numerous people have called you wrong about that statement. He put up great numbers in San Antonio and was still one of the best rebounders and defenders in the game. San Antonio just didn't know how to handle the guy, and most of the league was too scared to touch him either.

No, I didn't.

what you have to realize is that his teams weren't talent rich until we look back in hindsight. Rodman was a washed up player who was traded for a backup center. Horace Grant had a moderate career outside of Chicago.

No, I didn't.

Yes, it was. And now you're talking about the value of the trade? Your premise was that Rodman was washed up and Jordan carried the Bulls to titles.

The Horace Grant stuff was 100% correct.

No it isn't. Grant averaged over 11 win shares per season during that first Bulls championship run. He was a near great player. He was better than Wade was when LeBron won in Miami.

Can you do me a favor and repost what I said about Horace Grant?

Horace Grant was washed up

Can you do me a favor and repost what I said about Horace Grant?

I don't care how bad of an attitude you have if you are a hall of fame player still in their prime and you aren't willing to offer more than a backup center to get that player.

No it isn't. Grant averaged over 11 win shares per season during that first Bulls championship run. He was a near great player. He was better than Wade was when LeBron won in Miami.

No it isn't. Grant averaged over 11 win shares per season during that first Bulls championship run. He was a near great player. He was better than Wade was when LeBron won in Miami.

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Who is jorr trying to crap here? He does the same thing he's accusing Rick of except in reverse. He thinks jordan is overrated, Scottie wasn't great, and Rodman was worse than career role player Buck Williams. Thursday's at 5, friend!