Are you really going to use argumentum ad populum? I doubt you can find a link to anyone who even saw Robertson play.

Are you really going to use argumentum ad populum? I doubt you can find a link to anyone who even saw Robertson play.

You think Bob Ryan didn't see Oscar play?

Wait a minute - did you even see Oscar play? You ain't that fuckin old.

Even if you wanted to see Oscar play back in the day, did you really have much of a chance, especially if you didn't live in the city he played ? I mean , wasn't the NBA Finals shown on tape delay at one point ?

Right. And I'll remember it the next time there's an argument on the greatness of Rodman and Pippen who are now deemed to be less than Love and Irving.

Almost everything you said there is wrong.

Horace Grant was the most overrated player from those championship era teams.

Can someone help explain to LTG that a player can be good without scoring 20 or more PPG.

I swear to god there could be a player that averages 10 rebounds, 10 assists, 4 steals and 3 blocks a game but only scores 6 points and LTG thinks he should be out of the league.

I appreciate role players but I fully understand that they are role players. Your point is sort of nullified by the fact that I'm advocating for the guy that was even more of a role player than Grant.

My problem with HO Grant was that he thought he should have been more than a role player. He used to imply that the reason that he wasn't much of a scorer was because Jordan used to take all of the shots.

Dennis Rodman is quite possibly the best role player of the past 35 years. He was one of my favorite players as a kid and the "Bad Boy" version of Rodman was really something special. One of the best on ball defenders I've ever seen and also one of the most versatile.

Bump.

Yeah, Bulls fans are going to be laughed at for decades trying to continue calling Jordan GOAT

Bad thought. Stick with baseball.

I’ve said the same thing to you, vegan, and Leash now. Make the case. It won’t end well unless you lean heavily on longevity.

Most basketball fans know at their best it’s not a comparison.

The bolded statement here is idiotic and it's what LTG bitches about. In most debates, you make statements about how someone's opinion is "not even close" or "not a comparison" or "ridiculous", and here you go out of your way to call me and others "casual fans."

Whether you want to admit it or not, the debate between Lebron and Jordan is valid. It feels like you've read too many hipster blogs with made-up advanced statistics and use them as gospel, which leads you to make dismissive and overconfident statements like the bolded one above.

Light up, Francis.

I don’t know what a hipster blog is an I’m confident I have not read too many of them.

Since you get so offended by hyperbole I will correct myself. It’s a comparison. LeBron is great. I don’t think there is a valid argument to say LeBron is better than Jordan though. Better?

The bolded statement here is idiotic and it's what LTG bitches about. In most debates, you make statements about how someone's opinion is "not even close" or "not a comparison" or "ridiculous", and here you go out of your way to call me and others "casual fans."

Whether you want to admit it or not, the debate between Lebron and Jordan is valid. It feels like you've read too many hipster blogs with made-up advanced statistics and use them as gospel, which leads you to make dismissive and overconfident statements like the bolded one above.

I agree it is open for discussion. The only issue that i really see is the lack of other great players that Lebron has had to compete against. Just like boxing. The reason that guys like Ali are labeled as the greatest of all time is because he had to fight heavyweights that were among the best all time. That really isn't on Lebron as he can only play against the guys that are available but it does take away from his greatness somewhat.

Jordan didn't have a rival either. The best players in his days were big men. His main competition in the East once they started winning was Reggie Miller and John Starks. Not exactly cut throat.

Huh? Showing your 90's ness. He had Dumars as a rival. Harper pre injury was a rival. So was Drexler. John Statks was a media creation. He was never a true rival. Each of the 3 guys i named were better players at their best than Miller or Starks. Mitch Richmond was better also. The 2 guard position during that period was the glamour position of the NBA.

Huh? Showing your 90's ness. He had Dumars as a rival. Harper pre injury was a rival. So was Drexler. John Statks was a media creation. He was never a true rival. Each of the 3 guys i named were better players at their best than Miller or Starks. Mitch Richmond was better also. The 2 guard position during that period was the glamour position of the NBA.

And you're showing your inability to read the following caveat in my post "once they started winning." I don't give a shit about Drexler or Richmond - they played in the West and Jordan only saw Drexler in the finals once. Richmond played on a shit Kings team. Some rival.

Dumars isn't a rival - he was a thorn in Jordan's side. LYK already ended this debate by listing the top '90s players. Big men ruled the landscape. Part of Jordan's mythology is that he dominated the game as a guard during a time when big men reigned.

As I recall, one of the reasons they begged Jordan to play on the Dream Team is because there was such a huge dropoff at the 2 after him. Clyde Drexler was not that great. He was a primary scorer with a career average of 20 PPG and only two seasons scoring over 25. They didn't want him to start on the Dream Team. They practically begged Jordan.