I agree that John Starks sucked, but their media-imposed "rivalry" just goes to show how little competition Jordan had on the perimeter. Those Knicks teams gave the Bulls trouble because they were crazy physical. Ewing, Oakley, Smith, Xavier McDaniel and later Mason and Larry Johnson .

You sound stupid saying Dumars wasn't a rival. First of all they had to defeat Detroit in order to get to the Finals. This occurred 2 seasons in a row and they also got bounced in the semis another year. Dumars was twice the player John Starks was.

Drexler was regarded as the second best two in the game. He scored and assisted at a high clip. The dropoff was due to Jordan's greatness as a player. 92 was also the year that he destroyed him in the Finals.


Lebron James was outplayed by Durant last year. He was outplayed by Dirk in 11. Leonard held his own with him as developing player.

Jordan was the best player in every finals series that he ever participated in.


Lebron is killing mediocre rookies and other non descript players. These gaudy numbers are not being attained against elite players.

During the late 80's early 90's the 2 guard position was the glamour position of the NBA

Yeah, because of Michael Jordan.

Two top players of the '90s list. The only top SG in any of these lists is MJ. The majority are centers and PFs.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/134 ... 0s#slide18

http://www.complex.com/sports/2012/11/t ... s/1990s-11

Your only reference is the 90's. Jordan was a better player during the 80's.

That's not the argument. Your argument, which is complete bullshit by the way, is that the "2 guard was the glamour position of the '90s." It most certainly was not.

Yeah there was a real dearth of top flight guards from 90-98.

It was definitely a big man's league.

You have to be kidding. Center was the glamor position, and power forward was pretty damn good.

Ewing, Olajuwon, David Robinson , young Shaq, Mourning, Arvydas, Daugherty

PF's - Barkley, Malone, Kemp, Larry Nance, Larry Johnson

Jordan's only two real competitors were Drexler and Richmond. For Christ sake, they once labeled Gerald Wilkins "the Jordan Stopper." I think Jordan put like 50 on him the next time they met.

Late 80s early 90s NBA was all about the big men outside of Jordan.

So who were the dominant SG's of the late 80s?

So who were the dominant SG's of the late 80s?

That's not how the argument evolved. It was you saying that the late 80s and early 90s were the golden age of the 2-guard.

You've listed three guys from the Western Conference and one guy from the East who wasn't even the best player on his team.

Will you just admit you misspoke?

So is the Western Conf. on another planet or something. Its still part of the NBA. Which eastern Conf Small forwards has Lebron had to compete against then?

Joe Dumars HOF

Clyde Drexler HOf

Mitch Richmond HoF

Ron Harper good to Great player pre injury. Top 2G


Now let me ask this. We keep discrediting the guys that Jordan had to compete against.

Which topflight SF has James had to play against other than Durant? How did he fare in those matchups? Look at the tomato cans that he is dominating currently. None these guys will never be all stars let alone HOF's. How many of these will ever be anything besides role players?

So you're still maintaining that the glamor position of the 80s and 90s was shooting guard?

That's not how the argument evolved. It was you saying that the late 80s and early 90s were the golden age of the 2-guard.

You've listed three guys from the Western Conference and one guy from the East who wasn't even the best player on his team.

Will you just admit you misspoke?

Listen, you're getting your ass handed to you in this thread by people you dismiss because of their age. I understand why you'd be frustrated.
"The 2 guard position during that period was the glamour position of the NBA" is quite possibly the most inaccurate thing ever said about the NBA in history. And to back that up you've named three (3) SGs. Take the L on this one, though something tells me you won't.

No one is discrediting Jordan's competition. We're (or some of us) are discrediting this one on one matchup paradigm that you seem to let go. It's a 5 on 5 game.

Late 80's Early 90's yes. The Center position became dominant in the mid 90's. It wasn't the case during the late 80's.

Listen, you're getting your ass handed to you in this thread by people you dismiss because of their age. I understand why you'd be frustrated.
"The 2 guard position during that period was the glamour position of the NBA" is quite possibly the most inaccurate thing ever said about the NBA in history. And to back that up you've named three (3) SGs. Take the L on this one, though something tells me you won't.

Which guys has James had to matchup with?. Again you are using teamplay in conjunction with something based on individual play. Even that is non supportive of your argument since Jordan has 6 rings to James's 3. Second and 3rd best player on Jordan's "teams" were worse than James's and Jordan played against better teams overall.

The dumbest thing stated in this thread was that former grocery bagger John Starks was somehow a "rival" of Michael Jordan. Even Leash had to pump the brakes on that stupid shit.

The dumbest thing stated in this thread was that former grocery bagger John Starks was somehow a "rival" of Michael Jordan. Even Leash had to pump the brakes on that stupid shit.

I mean it probably was in early-mid 80s.

Aguire, Dantley, Walter Davis. All were pretty good/borderline great. On top of Jordan and Drexler.

Read LYK's and my lists of big men/SFs in the '80s.

I never said that - read it again. I don't want to interrupt your "Obama turned the White House lights off after Trump was elected" moment though. Keep on trying to convince us that the SG was the glamour position at some point during the '80s or '90s.