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Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Also, Embiid is not Olajuwon :lol: :lol:


Your Eye test isn't worth two dead flies. You are stats inc. at this stage. If you don't see Olajuwon type post up ability then you haven't been paying attention.

My eye test has been superior to yours ever since you joined the board.

I'm certain I've watched as many Sixers game as you and probably more. Embiid is a good post up player. You're trying to argue he's as good as the best post up player in the history of the game though :lol:

Get your eyes checked, lay off the hyperbole, and come back and discuss.
Author:  long time guy [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Perception is the only thing standing between those two.

Perception... and stats, shooting, success, and overall game. Other than that yeah basically the same guy.


Overall game? Again your eye test stinks. Irving is a better ball handler and finisher at the rim. Compared to some of the all time best finishers in the game. Since you are sort of new to this here thing you wouldn't know that so I will give you a pass. Among the best ball handlers to play the game at the ripe old age of 25. Better one on one player than Curry the pick needer. I concede shooting and that is about it.


IN the immortal words of Jeff Van Gundy Kyrie Irving doesn't have to take a back seat to any player in the NBA. That was 3 years ago when guy like you were still sleep on him.
Author:  long time guy [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Also, Embiid is not Olajuwon :lol: :lol:


Your Eye test isn't worth two dead flies. You are stats inc. at this stage. If you don't see Olajuwon type post up ability then you haven't been paying attention.

My eye test has been superior to yours ever since you joined the board.

I'm certain I've watched as many Sixers game as you and probably more. Embiid is a good post up player. You're trying to argue he's as good as the best post up player in the history of the game though :lol:

Get your eyes checked, lay off the hyperbole, and come back and discuss.



No i said he was the closest thing to Olajuwon that this league has seen. Not shocking that you'd flip it. He has a lot of what Olajuwon had in the post. He makes guys look silly at times. You have to watch the game more. Too much stat gazing.
Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Perception is the only thing standing between those two.

Perception... and stats, shooting, success, and overall game. Other than that yeah basically the same guy.


Overall game? Again your eye test stinks. Irving is a better ball handler and finisher at the rim. Compared to some of the all time best finishers in the game. Since you are sort of new to this here thing you wouldn't know that so I will give you a pass. Among the best ball handlers to play the game at the ripe old age of 25. Better one on one player than Curry the pick needer. I concede shooting and that is about it.


IN the immortal words of Jeff Van Gundy Kyrie Irving doesn't have to take a back seat to any player in the NBA. That was 3 years ago when guy like you were still sleep on him.

Curry and Irving are always listed as the best ball handlers in the NBA, and Curry is right there with him on that. Kyrie might be a little better at finishing, but no sane person has ever called him the best finisher in the history of the game, so once again, lay off the hyperbole.

On the other hand, MANY people do say Curry is the best shooter in the history of the game and one of the best offensive players in the history of the game. His passing his light years ahead of Kyrie, as well as his decision making. He's a better defender as well(You're gonna deny this, but last time you denied it I buried you with links backing me up and you shut up on it). Curry is easily the better overall player and it is not close. It hasn't been close the last 5 years.
Author:  Bagels [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
as an objective observer here, ltg is getting murdered . it's tough to watch
Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Also, Embiid is not Olajuwon :lol: :lol:


Your Eye test isn't worth two dead flies. You are stats inc. at this stage. If you don't see Olajuwon type post up ability then you haven't been paying attention.

My eye test has been superior to yours ever since you joined the board.

I'm certain I've watched as many Sixers game as you and probably more. Embiid is a good post up player. You're trying to argue he's as good as the best post up player in the history of the game though :lol:

Get your eyes checked, lay off the hyperbole, and come back and discuss.



No i said he was the closest thing to Olajuwon that this league has seen. Not shocking that you'd flip it. He has a lot of what Olajuwon had in the post. He makes guys look silly at times. You have to watch the game more. Too much stat gazing.

I didn't flip anything. :lol:

long time guy wrote:
He has Akeem Olujuwon type game with more size.


I accept your apology :D
Author:  long time guy [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Also, Embiid is not Olajuwon :lol: :lol:


Your Eye test isn't worth two dead flies. You are stats inc. at this stage. If you don't see Olajuwon type post up ability then you haven't been paying attention.

My eye test has been superior to yours ever since you joined the board.

I'm certain I've watched as many Sixers game as you and probably more. Embiid is a good post up player. You're trying to argue he's as good as the best post up player in the history of the game though :lol:

Get your eyes checked, lay off the hyperbole, and come back and discuss.



No i said he was the closest thing to Olajuwon that this league has seen. Not shocking that you'd flip it. He has a lot of what Olajuwon had in the post. He makes guys look silly at times. You have to watch the game more. Too much stat gazing.

I didn't flip anything. :lol:

long time guy wrote:
He has Akeem Olujuwon type game with more size.


I accept your apology :D



Type doesn't mean exactly the same. You need a thesaurus.
Author:  long time guy [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
Bagels wrote:
as an objective observer here, ltg is getting murdered . it's tough to watch



Do you believe that Jokic is better than Embiid? I will hangup and listen for my answer.
Author:  Bagels [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
long time guy wrote:
Bagels wrote:
as an objective observer here, ltg is getting murdered . it's tough to watch



Do you believe that Jokic is better than Embiid? I will hangup and listen for my answer.


it's tough. i think Jokic has a wider range of skills but Embiid has the ability to dominate more as a scorer
But I think FF's bringing up the injury concern is completely valid and you have to take that into account too. He could end up being Pervis Ellison
Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
I feel vindicated. The resident NBA expert on the board said it's a close call. That's good enough for me.
Author:  Bagels [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
:lol:
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
my eye test
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Author:  long time guy [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
my eye test
Image


Your eye test had you thinking we were referring to Jawann Oldham.
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
long time guy wrote:
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
my eye test
Image


Your eye test had you thinking we were referring to Jawann Oldham.

you compare a guy that played 62 games with a HOF you are wrong as you are most the time ......better get that Benjamin ready loser
Author:  Nas [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
LTG is absolutely right about Embiid being better. I'm not sure about Hakeem though.
Author:  long time guy [ Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
my eye test
Image


Your eye test had you thinking we were referring to Jawann Oldham.

you compare a guy that played 62 games with a HOF you are wrong as you are most the time ......better get that Benjamin ready loser



I will give Favre a pass because he is new to this. You are an old coot who runs around bitching about everything. The Akeem you saw at 33 wasn't the Akeem you saw at 23. You don't know much you're simply shitty.

Watch this video and tell me if he isn't Akeem like. Again he has it 23. Akeem wasn't this polished at this age.

https://youtu.be/AOo3WGKF-no


Get your eyetest and your bread together. I'm not going down easy on this one. That is even with the resting and everything else. I'm right there clown.

Same moves. If you knew anything about basketball you'd know most of that was a post 30 Akeem. Check the tape. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
Let’s not get it twisted. I remember Hakeem. We’d have to go back years for some of the threads but iirc, RPB and I were the only ones who had Hakeem as a top 10 overall player of all time. I think he’s close to top 5. I remember Hakeem, and I have yet to see anyone as good as him.

I’ve watched tapes comparing both players, and I just watched that one. Hakeem was undoubtedly better.

Embiid has potential to dominate this league. I’m not denying that. But being a superstar means doing it every single night. Dropped 30 tonight? Cool. Now do it again tomorrow night. I need to see that from Embiid before I can call him a superstar and compare him to all time greats.

Is that fair?
Author:  Nas [ Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
FavreFan wrote:
Let’s not get it twisted. I remember Hakeem. We’d have to go back years for some of the threads but iirc, RPB and I were the only ones who had Hakeem as a top 10 overall player of all time. I think he’s close to top 5. I remember Hakeem, and I have yet to see anyone as good as him.

I’ve watched tapes comparing both players, and I just watched that one. Hakeem was undoubtedly better.

Embiid has potential to dominate this league. I’m not denying that. But being a superstar means doing it every single night. Dropped 30 tonight? Cool. Now do it again tomorrow night. I need to see that from Embiid before I can call him a superstar and compare him to all time greats.

Is that fair?


You don't remember Akeem though. Either way he isn't a top 5 player. He isn't even a top 3 center.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
Nas wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Let’s not get it twisted. I remember Hakeem. We’d have to go back years for some of the threads but iirc, RPB and I were the only ones who had Hakeem as a top 10 overall player of all time. I think he’s close to top 5. I remember Hakeem, and I have yet to see anyone as good as him.

I’ve watched tapes comparing both players, and I just watched that one. Hakeem was undoubtedly better.

Embiid has potential to dominate this league. I’m not denying that. But being a superstar means doing it every single night. Dropped 30 tonight? Cool. Now do it again tomorrow night. I need to see that from Embiid before I can call him a superstar and compare him to all time greats.

Is that fair?


You don't remember Akeem though. Either way he isn't a top 5 player. He isn't even a top 3 center.

I do remember Hakeem. My earliest nba memory is the Bulls/Suns Finals and I distinctly remember the Rockets back to back titles.

Its hard to evaluate guys I haven’t watched but I’ll put Hakeem up against Kareem, Russell, and Wilt all day every day. He was perfect. The man had zero flaws in his game. Even Jordan can’t say that.
Author:  long time guy [ Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Let’s not get it twisted. I remember Hakeem. We’d have to go back years for some of the threads but iirc, RPB and I were the only ones who had Hakeem as a top 10 overall player of all time. I think he’s close to top 5. I remember Hakeem, and I have yet to see anyone as good as him.

I’ve watched tapes comparing both players, and I just watched that one. Hakeem was undoubtedly better.

Embiid has potential to dominate this league. I’m not denying that. But being a superstar means doing it every single night. Dropped 30 tonight? Cool. Now do it again tomorrow night. I need to see that from Embiid before I can call him a superstar and compare him to all time greats.

Is that fair?


You don't remember Akeem though. Either way he isn't a top 5 player. He isn't even a top 3 center.

I do remember Hakeem. My earliest nba memory is the Bulls/Suns Finals and I distinctly remember the Rockets back to back titles.

Its hard to evaluate guys I haven’t watched but I’ll put Hakeem up against Kareem, Russell, and Wilt all day every day. He was perfect. The man had zero flaws in his game. Even Jordan can’t say that.


You didn't see Akeem at 23 though. You didn't see him with Phi Slamma Jamma. I did. He was raw. Very raw. Embiid at 23 is better than Akeem. The Akeem you saw was in his early thirties. He was a killer at that point.

Embiid is much more refined at the same stage. Doesn't mean he will be better long term but at 23 its not as much of a slam dunk as you think.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Let’s not get it twisted. I remember Hakeem. We’d have to go back years for some of the threads but iirc, RPB and I were the only ones who had Hakeem as a top 10 overall player of all time. I think he’s close to top 5. I remember Hakeem, and I have yet to see anyone as good as him.

I’ve watched tapes comparing both players, and I just watched that one. Hakeem was undoubtedly better.

Embiid has potential to dominate this league. I’m not denying that. But being a superstar means doing it every single night. Dropped 30 tonight? Cool. Now do it again tomorrow night. I need to see that from Embiid before I can call him a superstar and compare him to all time greats.

Is that fair?


You don't remember Akeem though. Either way he isn't a top 5 player. He isn't even a top 3 center.

I do remember Hakeem. My earliest nba memory is the Bulls/Suns Finals and I distinctly remember the Rockets back to back titles.

Its hard to evaluate guys I haven’t watched but I’ll put Hakeem up against Kareem, Russell, and Wilt all day every day. He was perfect. The man had zero flaws in his game. Even Jordan can’t say that.


You didn't see Akeem at 23 though. You didn't see him with Phi Slamma Jamma. I did. He was raw. Very raw. Embiid at 23 is better than Akeem. The Akeem you saw was in his early thirties. He was a killer at that point.

Embiid is much more refined at the same stage. Doesn't mean he will be better long term but at 23 its not as much of a slam dunk as you think.

Oh. Yeah, I'm sure you're right on that. But every player should be more refined now than guys 20-30 years ago. The nutrition, practice, film study, etc aspects of the game give the current guys such an advtantage over previous generations. Plus you literally have Hakeem teaching new guys his stuff. Hakeem was a soccer player as a teenager. Imagine if he had been playing since grade school and had his own Hakeem to teach him the game?
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
Nas wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Let’s not get it twisted. I remember Hakeem. We’d have to go back years for some of the threads but iirc, RPB and I were the only ones who had Hakeem as a top 10 overall player of all time. I think he’s close to top 5. I remember Hakeem, and I have yet to see anyone as good as him.

I’ve watched tapes comparing both players, and I just watched that one. Hakeem was undoubtedly better.

Embiid has potential to dominate this league. I’m not denying that. But being a superstar means doing it every single night. Dropped 30 tonight? Cool. Now do it again tomorrow night. I need to see that from Embiid before I can call him a superstar and compare him to all time greats.

Is that fair?


You don't remember Akeem though. Either way he isn't a top 5 player. He isn't even a top 3 center.

and Embiid is??? Bite me
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:35 am ]
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Walt, can I get your top 5 centers all time? Also, since Embiid and his injury history is in play, where do you have Bill Walton? Hook a young guy up.
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:02 am ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Walt, can I get your top 5 centers all time? Also, since Embiid and his injury history is in play, where do you have Bill Walton? Hook a young guy up.

Kareem.Wilt ,Russell,Shaq and Hakeem....from and old coot who saw Phi Slamma Jamma too.I'm critical of someone who hasn't played 82 games being one of the greatest :?:
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Walt, can I get your top 5 centers all time? Also, since Embiid and his injury history is in play, where do you have Bill Walton? Hook a young guy up.

Kareem.Wilt ,Russell,Shaq and Hakeem....from and old coot who saw Phi Slamma Jamma too.I'm critical of someone who hasn't played 82 games being one of the greatest :?:
Walton was the 2nd best college center I ever saw ...Embiid too small of a sample size Walton played 10 years didn't have the physical ability ...but his knowledge of the game Embiid will never match
Author:  Nas [ Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
Nas wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Let’s not get it twisted. I remember Hakeem. We’d have to go back years for some of the threads but iirc, RPB and I were the only ones who had Hakeem as a top 10 overall player of all time. I think he’s close to top 5. I remember Hakeem, and I have yet to see anyone as good as him.

I’ve watched tapes comparing both players, and I just watched that one. Hakeem was undoubtedly better.

Embiid has potential to dominate this league. I’m not denying that. But being a superstar means doing it every single night. Dropped 30 tonight? Cool. Now do it again tomorrow night. I need to see that from Embiid before I can call him a superstar and compare him to all time greats.

Is that fair?


You don't remember Akeem though. Either way he isn't a top 5 player. He isn't even a top 3 center.

and Embiid is??? Bite me


No genius. Can you read?
Author:  Nas [ Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Walt, can I get your top 5 centers all time? Also, since Embiid and his injury history is in play, where do you have Bill Walton? Hook a young guy up.

Kareem.Wilt ,Russell,Shaq and Hakeem....from and old coot who saw Phi Slamma Jamma too.I'm critical of someone who hasn't played 82 games being one of the greatest :?:


I agree with this
Author:  pittmike [ Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
Nas wrote:
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Walt, can I get your top 5 centers all time? Also, since Embiid and his injury history is in play, where do you have Bill Walton? Hook a young guy up.

Kareem.Wilt ,Russell,Shaq and Hakeem....from and old coot who saw Phi Slamma Jamma too.I'm critical of someone who hasn't played 82 games being one of the greatest :?:


I agree with this


Not a bad list. Maybe we are too old.
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nikola The Joker Jokic or Joel Embiid Who ya got?
pittmike wrote:
Nas wrote:
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Walt, can I get your top 5 centers all time? Also, since Embiid and his injury history is in play, where do you have Bill Walton? Hook a young guy up.

Kareem.Wilt ,Russell,Shaq and Hakeem....from and old coot who saw Phi Slamma Jamma too.I'm critical of someone who hasn't played 82 games being one of the greatest :?:


I agree with this


Not a bad list. Maybe we are too old.

Old is better than being young and stupid
Author:  Nas [ Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:44 am ]
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How much better would Wilt have been if he got to rest? Championship rings keep him from being the center of all time.
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