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Watching him currently. Its hard to take guys seriously that think he is a top 15 guy. Nowhere near that.

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Lets see in the next 2-4 years to determine that. But he's the closest to Dennis Rodman I've seen since.


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Watching him currently. Its hard to take guys seriously that think he is a top 15 guy. Nowhere near that.

Nowhere near that is just a bad opinion.

I don’t know though. I think he’s right around the 14-18 range.

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He was, but Lonzo has taken his place.


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He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender.

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Its Draymond. i keep fucking his first name up.

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Its Draymond. i keep fucking his first name up.

Dave Chapelle’s bit about Draymond was hilarious.

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He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender.



If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games.

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It’s not hard to find guys in the nba that can score. When guys can significantly impact the game while scoring 4 points you know they are special.

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He couldn't be the best player on any team. He's a top 50 player that's been overrated for years.

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He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender.



If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games.

That’s just dumb and wrong but yes ideally he’s surrounded by better scoring players. I’ve noticed you consistently lack appreciation for playmaking non-scorers.

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He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender.



If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games.


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FavreFan wrote:
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He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender.



If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games.

That’s just dumb and wrong but yes ideally he’s surrounded by better scoring players. I’ve noticed you consistently lack appreciation for playmaking non-scorers.


I don't overvalue them. You do.

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He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender.



If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games.

That’s just dumb and wrong but yes ideally he’s surrounded by better scoring players. I’ve noticed you consistently lack appreciation for playmaking non-scorers.


Noah was far better than Green ever will be.

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He couldn't be the best player on any team. He's a top 50 player that's been overrated for years.

He could be but it wouldn’t be a great team. He’s a perfect 3rd best player. As a 4th best player it’s fyntasy situation (as we’re seeing).

Anyone who is a top 3 DPOY player annually and can shoot 3s and averages 7 apg is a special player. Because he doesn’t score 25 a game is a terrible reason to knock a player.

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He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender.



If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games.


Agreed

Just straight up awful thoughts from guys who should know better.

He’s a natural winner. You guys are just straight wrong here.

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Lets see in the next 2-4 years to determine that. But he's the closest to Dennis Rodman I've seen since.


I'd have to think on it. Rodman was a far better defender and rebounder than Green. Green is better offensively but he isn't great. He benefits from the lack of post play in the league.

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He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender.



If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games.

That’s just dumb and wrong but yes ideally he’s surrounded by better scoring players. I’ve noticed you consistently lack appreciation for playmaking non-scorers.


Noah was far better than Green ever will be.

No. Bad thought. Watch more basketball.

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He couldn't be the best player on any team. He's a top 50 player that's been overrated for years.

He could be but it wouldn’t be a great team. He’s a perfect 3rd best player. As a 4th best player it’s fyntasy situation (as we’re seeing).

Anyone who is a top 3 DPOY player annually and can shoot 3s and averages 7 apg is a special player. Because he doesn’t score 25 a game is a terrible reason to knock a player.



He struggles to score 10 on most nights.

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He couldn't be the best player on any team. He's a top 50 player that's been overrated for years.

He could be but it wouldn’t be a great team. He’s a perfect 3rd best player. As a 4th best player it’s fyntasy situation (as we’re seeing).

Anyone who is a top 3 DPOY player annually and can shoot 3s and averages 7 apg is a special player. Because he doesn’t score 25 a game is a terrible reason to knock a player.



He struggles to score 10 on most nights.


That's not where he adds value.

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He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender.



If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games.


No one is arguing otherwise, so this is irrelevant.

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He couldn't be the best player on any team. He's a top 50 player that's been overrated for years.

He could be but it wouldn’t be a great team. He’s a perfect 3rd best player. As a 4th best player it’s fyntasy situation (as we’re seeing).

Anyone who is a top 3 DPOY player annually and can shoot 3s and averages 7 apg is a special player. Because he doesn’t score 25 a game is a terrible reason to knock a player.



He struggles to score 10 on most nights.


That's not where he adds value.

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He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender.



If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games.


No one is arguing otherwise, so this is irrelevant.



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He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender.



If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games.


Agreed

Just straight up awful thoughts from guys who should know better.

He’s a natural winner. You guys are just straight wrong here.


He's a guy that I would want on a winning team with at least 2 star players. He's not a guy that you can build around or ask you to get a basket. There is at least 1 player on nearly every team that's better and on some teams there are multiple players. You and MANY others overrate him. Top 50 seems accurate

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A role player can't be top 15.

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I know only John Hollinger matters but they had no problem attacking him on defense down the stretch. Funny how all that help defense matters little when its time to man up. Towns killed him.

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He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender.



If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games.

That’s just dumb and wrong but yes ideally he’s surrounded by better scoring players. I’ve noticed you consistently lack appreciation for playmaking non-scorers.


Noah was far better than Green ever will be.


No. At least teams have to guard Green 5 feet away from the basket.

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I know only John Hollinger matters but they had no problem attacking him on defense down the stretch. Funny how all that help defense matters little when its time to man up. Towns killed him.


LTG experiencing sample size issues...again.

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I know only John Hollinger matters but they had no problem attacking him on defense down the stretch. Funny how all that help defense matters little when its time to man up. Towns killed him.


LTG experiencing sample size issues...again.



No you place value on him shutting down Tyson Chandler. I don't. Tyson Chandler is shut down the second he places a jersey on his back.

Shutdown defenders don't get attacked. That applies to football and basketball.

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He couldn't be the best player on any team. He's a top 50 player that's been overrated for years.

He could be but it wouldn’t be a great team. He’s a perfect 3rd best player. As a 4th best player it’s fyntasy situation (as we’re seeing).

Anyone who is a top 3 DPOY player annually and can shoot 3s and averages 7 apg is a special player. Because he doesn’t score 25 a game is a terrible reason to knock a player.



He struggles to score 10 on most nights.

He averages 10. Wrong again.

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I know only John Hollinger matters but they had no problem attacking him on defense down the stretch. Funny how all that help defense matters little when its time to man up. Towns killed him.


LTG experiencing sample size issues...again.



No you place value on him shutting down Tyson Chandler. I don't. Tyson Chandler is shut down the second he places a jersey on his back.

Shutdown defenders don't get attacked. That applies to football and basketball.


This isn't physics. No universal truths in basketball.

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