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| Author: | long time guy [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
Watching him currently. Its hard to take guys seriously that think he is a top 15 guy. Nowhere near that. |
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| Author: | HawaiiYou [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
Lets see in the next 2-4 years to determine that. But he's the closest to Dennis Rodman I've seen since. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
No |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
long time guy wrote: Watching him currently. Its hard to take guys seriously that think he is a top 15 guy. Nowhere near that. Nowhere near that is just a bad opinion. I don’t know though. I think he’s right around the 14-18 range. |
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| Author: | Big Chicagoan [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
He was, but Lonzo has taken his place. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
Its Draymond. i keep fucking his first name up. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
long time guy wrote: Its Draymond. i keep fucking his first name up. Dave Chapelle’s bit about Draymond was hilarious. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
FavreFan wrote: He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender. If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
It’s not hard to find guys in the nba that can score. When guys can significantly impact the game while scoring 4 points you know they are special. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
He couldn't be the best player on any team. He's a top 50 player that's been overrated for years. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender. If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games. That’s just dumb and wrong but yes ideally he’s surrounded by better scoring players. I’ve noticed you consistently lack appreciation for playmaking non-scorers. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender. If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games. Agreed |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
FavreFan wrote: long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender. If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games. That’s just dumb and wrong but yes ideally he’s surrounded by better scoring players. I’ve noticed you consistently lack appreciation for playmaking non-scorers. I don't overvalue them. You do. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
FavreFan wrote: long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender. If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games. That’s just dumb and wrong but yes ideally he’s surrounded by better scoring players. I’ve noticed you consistently lack appreciation for playmaking non-scorers. Noah was far better than Green ever will be. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
Nas wrote: He couldn't be the best player on any team. He's a top 50 player that's been overrated for years. He could be but it wouldn’t be a great team. He’s a perfect 3rd best player. As a 4th best player it’s fyntasy situation (as we’re seeing). Anyone who is a top 3 DPOY player annually and can shoot 3s and averages 7 apg is a special player. Because he doesn’t score 25 a game is a terrible reason to knock a player. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
Nas wrote: long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender. If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games. Agreed Just straight up awful thoughts from guys who should know better. He’s a natural winner. You guys are just straight wrong here. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
HawaiiYou wrote: Lets see in the next 2-4 years to determine that. But he's the closest to Dennis Rodman I've seen since. I'd have to think on it. Rodman was a far better defender and rebounder than Green. Green is better offensively but he isn't great. He benefits from the lack of post play in the league. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
Nas wrote: FavreFan wrote: long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender. If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games. That’s just dumb and wrong but yes ideally he’s surrounded by better scoring players. I’ve noticed you consistently lack appreciation for playmaking non-scorers. Noah was far better than Green ever will be. No. Bad thought. Watch more basketball. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
FavreFan wrote: Nas wrote: He couldn't be the best player on any team. He's a top 50 player that's been overrated for years. He could be but it wouldn’t be a great team. He’s a perfect 3rd best player. As a 4th best player it’s fyntasy situation (as we’re seeing). Anyone who is a top 3 DPOY player annually and can shoot 3s and averages 7 apg is a special player. Because he doesn’t score 25 a game is a terrible reason to knock a player. He struggles to score 10 on most nights. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: Nas wrote: He couldn't be the best player on any team. He's a top 50 player that's been overrated for years. He could be but it wouldn’t be a great team. He’s a perfect 3rd best player. As a 4th best player it’s fyntasy situation (as we’re seeing). Anyone who is a top 3 DPOY player annually and can shoot 3s and averages 7 apg is a special player. Because he doesn’t score 25 a game is a terrible reason to knock a player. He struggles to score 10 on most nights. That's not where he adds value. long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender. If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games. No one is arguing otherwise, so this is irrelevant. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
veganfan21 wrote: long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: Nas wrote: He couldn't be the best player on any team. He's a top 50 player that's been overrated for years. He could be but it wouldn’t be a great team. He’s a perfect 3rd best player. As a 4th best player it’s fyntasy situation (as we’re seeing). Anyone who is a top 3 DPOY player annually and can shoot 3s and averages 7 apg is a special player. Because he doesn’t score 25 a game is a terrible reason to knock a player. He struggles to score 10 on most nights. That's not where he adds value. long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender. If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games. No one is arguing otherwise, so this is irrelevant. You must have missed FarveFan's response. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
FavreFan wrote: Nas wrote: long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender. If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games. Agreed Just straight up awful thoughts from guys who should know better. He’s a natural winner. You guys are just straight wrong here. He's a guy that I would want on a winning team with at least 2 star players. He's not a guy that you can build around or ask you to get a basket. There is at least 1 player on nearly every team that's better and on some teams there are multiple players. You and MANY others overrate him. Top 50 seems accurate |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
A role player can't be top 15. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
I know only John Hollinger matters but they had no problem attacking him on defense down the stretch. Funny how all that help defense matters little when its time to man up. Towns killed him. |
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| Author: | FrankDrebin [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
Nas wrote: FavreFan wrote: long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: He’s the best defender in the NBA since Kawhi decided to quit playing basketball. He can guard guys from Stephen Adams to Damian Lillard. He’s a just good enough shooter to space the floor. Great passer obviously. He’s a natural leader. Everything you’d want on a contender. If he were the best player on a team they'd struggle to win 10 games. That’s just dumb and wrong but yes ideally he’s surrounded by better scoring players. I’ve noticed you consistently lack appreciation for playmaking non-scorers. Noah was far better than Green ever will be. No. At least teams have to guard Green 5 feet away from the basket. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
long time guy wrote: I know only John Hollinger matters but they had no problem attacking him on defense down the stretch. Funny how all that help defense matters little when its time to man up. Towns killed him. LTG experiencing sample size issues...again. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
veganfan21 wrote: long time guy wrote: I know only John Hollinger matters but they had no problem attacking him on defense down the stretch. Funny how all that help defense matters little when its time to man up. Towns killed him. LTG experiencing sample size issues...again. No you place value on him shutting down Tyson Chandler. I don't. Tyson Chandler is shut down the second he places a jersey on his back. Shutdown defenders don't get attacked. That applies to football and basketball. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: Nas wrote: He couldn't be the best player on any team. He's a top 50 player that's been overrated for years. He could be but it wouldn’t be a great team. He’s a perfect 3rd best player. As a 4th best player it’s fyntasy situation (as we’re seeing). Anyone who is a top 3 DPOY player annually and can shoot 3s and averages 7 apg is a special player. Because he doesn’t score 25 a game is a terrible reason to knock a player. He struggles to score 10 on most nights. He averages 10. Wrong again. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Draemond Green top 15 yeah or nay |
long time guy wrote: veganfan21 wrote: long time guy wrote: I know only John Hollinger matters but they had no problem attacking him on defense down the stretch. Funny how all that help defense matters little when its time to man up. Towns killed him. LTG experiencing sample size issues...again. No you place value on him shutting down Tyson Chandler. I don't. Tyson Chandler is shut down the second he places a jersey on his back. Shutdown defenders don't get attacked. That applies to football and basketball. This isn't physics. No universal truths in basketball. |
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