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That's your definition. I think it's reasonable to consider a "stretch-4" simply a big man who "stretches" the floor, which McAdoo unquestionably did. Walt is correct. And LTG is wrong here. In fact, it seems like he's just rageposting as usual, this time Walt happens to be the target.

It's not my definition, it's THE definition. If you are 15 feet away from the basket you are not stretching the court, and you weren't stretching the court playing 15 feet away from the rim in 1975.

Walt isn't correct by any measure if he said Bob McAdoo was the first stretch four. He simply was not.

FavreFan wrote:

The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played.

FavreFan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Nas wrote:

:lol:

Of course LTG is right about this. So much blind rage prevents people from seeing it. Someone standing 16 feet from the basket isn't stretching anything.

Were Pete Maravich and Rick Mount elite outside shooters?

Is a stretch four a PF who stands 15 feet away from the rim?

In that era there were very few guys his size who didn't play with their back to the basket. I have no interest in getting into the semantics of what "stretch-4" means. It wasn't a term that was used in McAdoo's time. But what Walt is saying is correct. The only rage is coming from LTG who is mindlessly insulting him over something he doesn't understand.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played.

You would think a student of the game like ltg would understand that the 3 point shot was a pretty terrible shot to take on a percentage basis when Bob McAdoo played. League averages were like 24 to 28%.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

But for the INVENTOR of the stretch 4 it wouldn't be.

Nardi wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

But for the INVENTOR of the stretch 4 it wouldn't be.

The line didn't even exist for half of his career.

Who is the inventor of it?

FavreFan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played.

So, to be clear. Tim Legler is an elite outside shooter but Pete Maravich wasn't?

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played.

So, to be clear. Tim Legler is an elite outside shooter but Pete Maravich wasn't?

I don't think Tim Legler shot enough to qualify for that label.

Steph Curry and Klay Thompson are elite outside shooters.

FavreFan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played.

Now you're arguing just to argue.

FavreFan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played.

So, to be clear. Tim Legler is an elite outside shooter but Pete Maravich wasn't?

I don't think Tim Legler shot enough to qualify for that label.

Steph Curry and Klay Thompson are elite outside shooters.

Who invented elite outside shooting?

Jerry Lucas was considered a big man who could hit the outside shot (including what is today 3-point distance) before McAdoo.

Walt is stretching the truth big time.

long time guy wrote:

Walt is stretching the truth big time.

More than McAdoo stretched the floor that's for damn sure

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played.

Now you're arguing just to argue.

There's like 100 guys in the NBA right now that are better outside shooters than Pete ever was. If you were honest you'd admit Seth Curry would easily beat Pete in a 3 point contest. And this has nothing to do with "evolution" so no need to go back to your favorite strawman :lol:

You and Rick are just trying to distract from the fact that you guys incorrectly called a guy a stretch four because he shot from 15 feet away occasionally.

FavreFan wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played.

Now you're arguing just to argue.

You and Rick are just trying to distract from the fact that you guys incorrectly called a guy a stretch four because he shot from 15 feet away occasionally.

I don't know anything about Seth Curry.

I don't know anything about Seth Curry. But I'm certain there aren't 100 better shooters than Maravich.

Jerry Lucas was considered a big man who could hit the outside shot (including what is today 3-point distance) before McAdoo.

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

I don't know anything about Seth Curry. But I'm certain there aren't 100 better shooters than Maravich.

It's easy to be certain of things you know nothing about nor care to look into.

FavreFan wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

I don't know anything about Seth Curry. But I'm certain there aren't 100 better shooters than Maravich.

It's easy to be certain of things you know nothing about nor care to look into.

I know there aren't 100 better shooters in the NBA than Pete Maravich. So do you.

FavreFan wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

I don't know anything about Seth Curry. But I'm certain there aren't 100 better shooters than Maravich.

It's easy to be certain of things you know nothing about nor care to look into.

I know there aren't 100 better shooters in the NBA than Pete Maravich. So do you.

No, I don't. There's a lot of awesome shooters in the NBA.

One thing that isn't up for debate: there are more great shooters in the NBA than at any point in the history of the league. And the number is growing.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played.

So, to be clear. Tim Legler is an elite outside shooter but Pete Maravich wasn't?

I don't think Tim Legler shot enough to qualify for that label.

Steph Curry and Klay Thompson are elite outside shooters.

Pistol Pete would be lucky to have the same career as Doug McDermott.

Author:	Terry's Peeps [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:57 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bob Mcadoo:Inventor of the Stretch 4 position.
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: That's your definition. I think it's reasonable to consider a "stretch-4" simply a big man who "stretches" the floor, which McAdoo unquestionably did. Walt is correct. And LTG is wrong here. In fact, it seems like he's just rageposting as usual, this time Walt happens to be the target. Yeah I think of a stretch 4 as someone who has to get his man away from the paint. A 4 hitting 16-18 foot shots does that. I have no idea if McAdoo invented it. Whatever that means.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:59 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bob Mcadoo:Inventor of the Stretch 4 position.
FavreFan wrote: It's not my definition, it's THE definition. If you are 15 feet away from the basket you are not stretching the court, and you weren't stretching the court playing 15 feet away from the rim in 1975. Walt isn't correct by any measure if he said Bob McAdoo was the first stretch four. He simply was not. The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:01 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: FavreFan wrote: It's not my definition, it's THE definition. If you are 15 feet away from the basket you are not stretching the court, and you weren't stretching the court playing 15 feet away from the rim in 1975. Walt isn't correct by any measure if he said Bob McAdoo was the first stretch four. He simply was not. The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter? No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:05 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bob Mcadoo:Inventor of the Stretch 4 position.
FavreFan wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: FavreFan wrote: It's not my definition, it's THE definition. If you are 15 feet away from the basket you are not stretching the court, and you weren't stretching the court playing 15 feet away from the rim in 1975. Walt isn't correct by any measure if he said Bob McAdoo was the first stretch four. He simply was not. The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter? No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played. So, to be clear. Tim Legler is an elite outside shooter but Pete Maravich wasn't?

Author:	long time guy [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:06 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: FavreFan wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Nas wrote: :lol: Of course LTG is right about this. So much blind rage prevents people from seeing it. Someone standing 16 feet from the basket isn't stretching anything. Were Pete Maravich and Rick Mount elite outside shooters? Is a stretch four a PF who stands 15 feet away from the rim? In that era there were very few guys his size who didn't play with their back to the basket. I have no interest in getting into the semantics of what "stretch-4" means. It wasn't a term that was used in McAdoo's time. But what Walt is saying is correct. The only rage is coming from LTG who is mindlessly insulting him over something he doesn't understand. The only people that happen to be debating "semantics" are guys like You, Brick, Walt, and apparently SPeeps. The definition of a stretch four is fairly cut and dried. Its not a guy that takes 15 foot jump shots.

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Author:	Joe Orr Road Rod [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:07 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bob Mcadoo:Inventor of the Stretch 4 position.
FavreFan wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: FavreFan wrote: It's not my definition, it's THE definition. If you are 15 feet away from the basket you are not stretching the court, and you weren't stretching the court playing 15 feet away from the rim in 1975. Walt isn't correct by any measure if he said Bob McAdoo was the first stretch four. He simply was not. The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter? No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played. Now you're arguing just to argue.

Author:	Nardi [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:07 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bob Mcadoo:Inventor of the Stretch 4 position.
Boilermaker Rick wrote: You would think a student of the game like ltg would understand that the 3 point shot was a pretty terrible shot to take on a percentage basis when Bob McAdoo played. League averages were like 24 to 28%. But for the INVENTOR of the stretch 4 it wouldn't be.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:11 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bob Mcadoo:Inventor of the Stretch 4 position.
Nardi wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: You would think a student of the game like ltg would understand that the 3 point shot was a pretty terrible shot to take on a percentage basis when Bob McAdoo played. League averages were like 24 to 28%. But for the INVENTOR of the stretch 4 it wouldn't be. The line didn't even exist for half of his career. Who is the inventor of it?

Author:	long time guy [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:14 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Nardi wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: You would think a student of the game like ltg would understand that the 3 point shot was a pretty terrible shot to take on a percentage basis when Bob McAdoo played. League averages were like 24 to 28%. But for the INVENTOR of the stretch 4 it wouldn't be. The line didn't even exist for half of his career. Who is the inventor of it? Not him.

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:14 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bob Mcadoo:Inventor of the Stretch 4 position.
Boilermaker Rick wrote: FavreFan wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: FavreFan wrote: It's not my definition, it's THE definition. If you are 15 feet away from the basket you are not stretching the court, and you weren't stretching the court playing 15 feet away from the rim in 1975. Walt isn't correct by any measure if he said Bob McAdoo was the first stretch four. He simply was not. The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter? No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played. So, to be clear. Tim Legler is an elite outside shooter but Pete Maravich wasn't? I don't think Tim Legler shot enough to qualify for that label. Steph Curry and Klay Thompson are elite outside shooters.

Author:	FrankDrebin [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:15 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bob Mcadoo:Inventor of the Stretch 4 position.
Jerry Lucas was considered a big man who could hit the outside shot (including what is today 3-point distance) before McAdoo.

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bob Mcadoo:Inventor of the Stretch 4 position.
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: FavreFan wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: FavreFan wrote: It's not my definition, it's THE definition. If you are 15 feet away from the basket you are not stretching the court, and you weren't stretching the court playing 15 feet away from the rim in 1975. Walt isn't correct by any measure if he said Bob McAdoo was the first stretch four. He simply was not. The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter? No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played. Now you're arguing just to argue. There's like 100 guys in the NBA right now that are better outside shooters than Pete ever was. If you were honest you'd admit Seth Curry would easily beat Pete in a 3 point contest. And this has nothing to do with "evolution" so no need to go back to your favorite strawman You and Rick are just trying to distract from the fact that you guys incorrectly called a guy a stretch four because he shot from 15 feet away occasionally.

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:18 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bob Mcadoo:Inventor of the Stretch 4 position.
FrankDrebin wrote: Jerry Lucas was considered a big man who could hit the outside shot (including what is today 3-point distance) before McAdoo. Uh oh. Walt, JORR, and Rick taking it from both sides now!

Author:	long time guy [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:21 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bob Mcadoo:Inventor of the Stretch 4 position.
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: FavreFan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: FavreFan wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: FavreFan wrote: It's not my definition, it's THE definition. If you are 15 feet away from the basket you are not stretching the court, and you weren't stretching the court playing 15 feet away from the rim in 1975. Walt isn't correct by any measure if he said Bob McAdoo was the first stretch four. He simply was not. The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter? No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played. Now you're arguing just to argue. There's like 100 guys in the NBA right now that are better outside shooters than Pete ever was. If you were honest you'd admit Seth Curry would easily beat Pete in a 3 point contest. And this has nothing to do with "evolution" so no need to go back to your favorite strawman You and Rick are just trying to distract from the fact that you guys incorrectly called a guy a stretch four because he shot from 15 feet away occasionally. I don't know anything about Seth Curry. Truer words were never spoken.

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Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:21 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bob Mcadoo:Inventor of the Stretch 4 position.
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I don't know anything about Seth Curry. But I'm certain there aren't 100 better shooters than Maravich. It's easy to be certain of things you know nothing about nor care to look into.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:23 pm ]
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Stretch 4s only became a thing a decade ago. LTG wins again. Close the thread

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:24 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bob Mcadoo:Inventor of the Stretch 4 position.
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: FavreFan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I don't know anything about Seth Curry. But I'm certain there aren't 100 better shooters than Maravich. It's easy to be certain of things you know nothing about nor care to look into. I know there aren't 100 better shooters in the NBA than Pete Maravich. So do you. No, I don't. There's a lot of awesome shooters in the NBA. One thing that isn't up for debate: there are more great shooters in the NBA than at any point in the history of the league. And the number is growing.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:24 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: FavreFan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I don't know anything about Seth Curry. But I'm certain there aren't 100 better shooters than Maravich. It's easy to be certain of things you know nothing about nor care to look into. I know there aren't 100 better shooters in the NBA than Pete Maravich. So do you. Jayson Williams

Author:	Nas [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:33 pm ]
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Pistol Pete would be lucky to have the same career as Doug McDermott.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:34 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bob Mcadoo:Inventor of the Stretch 4 position.
FavreFan wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: FavreFan wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: FavreFan wrote: It's not my definition, it's THE definition. If you are 15 feet away from the basket you are not stretching the court, and you weren't stretching the court playing 15 feet away from the rim in 1975. Walt isn't correct by any measure if he said Bob McAdoo was the first stretch four. He simply was not. The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter? No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played. So, to be clear. Tim Legler is an elite outside shooter but Pete Maravich wasn't? I don't think Tim Legler shot enough to qualify for that label. Steph Curry and Klay Thompson are elite outside shooters. How many career 3's do they need to qualify?