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Bulls fans are more irrational regarding Miller than they are about Jordan and Pippen.

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There is no clear consensus on who the greatest shooting guard of all time is, as it is a highly debated topic among basketball fans and experts. However, there are several players who are often cited as contenders for the title:

1) Michael Jordan. 6 Championships, 5 MVP's and 10 scoring titles.

2) Kobe Bryant. 5 Championships, 2 gold metals, 18 time all star.

3) Dwyane Wade: 3 Championships, 13 time all star

4) Clyde Drexler 10 time all star and 1 Championship.


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Bulls fans are more irrational regarding Miller than they are about Jordan and Pippen.


Reggie Miller was mostly an afterthought. He never generated the type of rivalry heat that the Pistons or even the Knicks did.

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Bulls fans are more irrational regarding Miller than they are about Jordan and Pippen.

In what way?

I don't think there's anything more irrational than arguing for 4-5 different guys as the GOAT but refusing to consider Jordan has a viable claim, as you have done on here.

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Bulls fans are more irrational regarding Miller than they are about Jordan and Pippen.

In what way?

I don't think there's anything more irrational than arguing for 4-5 different guys as the GOAT but refusing to consider Jordan has a viable claim, as you have done on here.



Irrational hatred. He was a Bulls nemesis. He was an elite shooter. I don't think anyone compares him to Jordan. Maybe himself.

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And I've never said Jordan doesn't have a "viable claim" if there is such a thing as a GOAT. I've sai it'no indisputable and those who think it's someone else aren't insane the way Bulls fans would have us believe.

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Bulls fans are more irrational regarding Miller than they are about Jordan and Pippen.

In what way?

I don't think there's anything more irrational than arguing for 4-5 different guys as the GOAT but refusing to consider Jordan has a viable claim, as you have done on here.



Irrational hatred. He was a Bulls nemesis. He was an elite shooter. I don't think anyone compares him to Jordan. Maybe himself.

He was an elite shooter. Don't think anybody disagrees with that. I've never gotten the impression Bulls fans underrate or dismiss Miller. If anything, I think they have a good amount of reverence for him as a Bulls nemesis for the reason Nas stated.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
And I've never said Jordan doesn't have a "viable claim" if there is such a thing as a GOAT. I've sai it'no indisputable and those who think it's someone else aren't insane the way Bulls fans would have us believe.

Well, you vacilate more than anyone I've ever seen posit an opinion on this topic. Sometimes you've said it's not indisputable. Sometimes Lebron is undisputed GOAT. Sometimes Magic is. Sometimes Kareem or Wilt are. Sometimes Jordan has a case, other times it's silly to include him because he's not a big man and the GOAT needs to be a big man (when it's not Magic or LeBron)

So you can see why it's hard to keep track of your GOAT thoughts but one thing you have been very consistent about is that it's someone other than Michael Jordan.

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FavreFan wrote:
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And I've never said Jordan doesn't have a "viable claim" if there is such a thing as a GOAT. I've sai it'no indisputable and those who think it's someone else aren't insane the way Bulls fans would have us believe.

Well, you vacilate more than anyone I've ever seen posit an opinion on this topic. Sometimes you've said it's not indisputable. Sometimes Lebron is undisputed GOAT. Sometimes Magic is. Sometimes Kareem or Wilt are. Sometimes Jordan has a case, other times it's silly to include him because he's not a big man and the GOAT needs to be a big man (when it's not Magic or LeBron)

So you can see why it's hard to keep track of your GOAT thoughts but one thing you have been very consistent about is that it's someone other than Michael Jordan.

:lol: and then claim that bulls fans are irrational

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He was a shooter, yes, but he wasn't a shooter like Kyle Korver or Dell Curry was a shooter. He could actually carry teams. He was the clear-cut no 1 on those Pacers teams that routinely made the playoffs.

At one point they went to the post-season 16/17 years, 14 of which Miller was the clear-cut no 1. I'm ending Miller's reign as no 1 around 2000 when he was replaced by Jermaine Oneal. In those 14 playoff years with defense-first guys like Derrick McKey and the Davis brothers, he went to four ECFs and 1 Finals. That's more impressive than anything Wade did after losing Shaq and before lucking into LeBron.

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And I've never said Jordan doesn't have a "viable claim" if there is such a thing as a GOAT. I've sai it'no indisputable and those who think it's someone else aren't insane the way Bulls fans would have us believe.

Well, you vacilate more than anyone I've ever seen posit an opinion on this topic. Sometimes you've said it's not indisputable. Sometimes Lebron is undisputed GOAT. Sometimes Magic is. Sometimes Kareem or Wilt are. Sometimes Jordan has a case, other times it's silly to include him because he's not a big man and the GOAT needs to be a big man (when it's not Magic or LeBron)

So you can see why it's hard to keep track of your GOAT thoughts but one thing you have been very consistent about is that it's someone other than Michael Jordan.



I don't think LeBron is the GOAT. I'm just trolling you Bulls fans. You can find many posts here with my sincere views on the subject:

1) I don't believe in the concept of a GOAT.
2) If there is such a thing it's undoubtedly a center.
3) I have no problem with you thinking Jordan is the GOAT. You probably had his poster on your wall and overpaid for his shoes.
4) To me, Magic is the greatest non-center. (And he won a title game playing center.) But I don't think you're an idiot for disagreeing. Unless you try to tell me something dumb like Pippen or Dwyane Wade were better.

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FavreFan wrote:
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Bulls fans are more irrational regarding Miller than they are about Jordan and Pippen.

In what way?

I don't think there's anything more irrational than arguing for 4-5 different guys as the GOAT but refusing to consider Jordan has a viable claim, as you have done on here.


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And I've never said Jordan doesn't have a "viable claim" if there is such a thing as a GOAT. I've sai it'no indisputable and those who think it's someone else aren't insane the way Bulls fans would have us believe.

Well, you vacilate more than anyone I've ever seen posit an opinion on this topic. Sometimes you've said it's not indisputable. Sometimes Lebron is undisputed GOAT. Sometimes Magic is. Sometimes Kareem or Wilt are. Sometimes Jordan has a case, other times it's silly to include him because he's not a big man and the GOAT needs to be a big man (when it's not Magic or LeBron)

So you can see why it's hard to keep track of your GOAT thoughts but one thing you have been very consistent about is that it's someone other than Michael Jordan.

Vacillate. Have you ever actually watched a spelling bee?


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Comparing players form different eras is just dumb

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There you go, Walt. The idea of a "GOAT" is dumb.

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I disagree. Comparing players' raw stats over eras is dumb, but comparing players in how good they were relative to their peers in their era is a good way of comparing players from different eras.

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Dumb? Watching old black and white films of NBA is no different that watching this year's college tournament.


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Comparing players form different eras is just dumb


I disagree. Comparing players' raw stats over eras is dumb, but comparing players in how good they were relative to their peers in their era is a good way of comparing players from different eras.



Why do so many people believe that players "evolved" from the time of Cousy and Mikan, yet they stopped evolving with Barkley and Jordan. Did basketball man reach his peak and is now in decline?

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Is Dwyane Wade really better than Fat Lever? The only thing Wade did better was score and I'm pretty sure Lever could have gotten 25 a game if he had been on teams where he needed to.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Comparing players form different eras is just dumb


I disagree. Comparing players' raw stats over eras is dumb, but comparing players in how good they were relative to their peers in their era is a good way of comparing players from different eras.



Why do so many people believe that players "evolved" from the time of Cousy and Mikan, yet they stopped evolving with Barkley and Jordan. Did basketball man reach his peak and is now in decline?

The players' play isn't devolving. The game might be, and the structure around it. Sabremetrics, load management, player movement and attitudes, etc.


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Comparing players form different eras is just dumb


I disagree. Comparing players' raw stats over eras is dumb, but comparing players in how good they were relative to their peers in their era is a good way of comparing players from different eras.



Why do so many people believe that players "evolved" from the time of Cousy and Mikan, yet they stopped evolving with Barkley and Jordan. Did basketball man reach his peak and is now in decline?

The players' play isn't devolving. The game might be, and the structure around it. Sabremetrics, load management, player movement and attitudes, etc.


But there's a belief that guys like Mikan and Cousy couldn't play today and if they did, they'd be the last guy off the bench. Let's assume that it's true and those guys just couldn't compete with Jordan and Robert Parrish. Why do we believe that Parrish and Jordan could compete 35 years further down the line?

People will watch old decaying film and call guys "slow". You know Ruth didn't tiptoe around the bases. That's the way the old film made it look. There is no film of Ruth in his prime. But if a 25 year old Ruth appeared in a time machine, he'd be one of the most imposing physical specimens in today's game.

People don't "evolve" over three generations. But here's an interesting thing. There was a harness horse that took New York by storm in the 70s named Big Towner. He was a fluke in that he was born when his sire was like 30 years old and his sire was a late foal from his own sire. Big Towner was only seven generations removed from Hambletonian himself. And with horses, we are actively trying to evolve them. They're typically bred at four or five. The generations are much shorter. So how could a horse whose grandsire was foaled in 1903 possibly compete in 1977? He didn't just compete, he was the best.

Mikan played against Cousy who played against Wilt who played against Jabbar who played against Jordan who played against Kidd who played against Rondo who played against Durant.

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There's a peak to human athletic development. There's a curve that goes up quickly and then flattens. It used to be, "just play more to develop". These days it's film, it's nutrition, it's mental therapy, it's lab. Generally, today's professional athletes work a lot harder. And a lot smarter. And the edge they have is a lot smaller.


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There's a peak to human athletic development. There's a curve that goes up quickly and then flattens. It used to be, "just play more to develop". These days it's film, it's nutrition, it's mental therapy, it's lab. Generally, today's professional athletes work a lot harder. And a lot smarter. And the edge they have is a lot smaller.


Well, of course. Bob Cousy didn't have Tim Grover sticking a needle in his ass.

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