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Apologist

Post subject: Re: Greatest White guys in the History of the Association

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:05 am

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

I'm not sure that's right. For a generation of fans it's become the accepted wisdom that Jordan is "that best that ever was, the best that ever will be". I don't think that's a view so strongly held by real knowledgeable NBA fans. Which isn't to say that Jordan wouldn't be the consensus "greatest player" among experts, just that suggesting others are in the conversation would not be seen as absurd.

I stumbled on an interesting thing over on Basketball Reference, the NBA Elo Player Rater. Jordan looks to be considered the greatest by raters, and by a decent margin. Magic is 5th.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/elo.cgi

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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:04 pm

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Apologist wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

That player rater is obviously flawed. It has Bird 6th best all-time and as everyone who listens to Lil Danny and his incoherent partner already know, he's not even top 10.

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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:18 pm

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in no order.. chris mullen, steve nash, john stockton,larry bird,tom chambers,pete maravich,dirk nowitzky,jerry west,rick smits , bob cousy

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Post subject: Re: Greatest White guys in the History of the Association

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:42 pm

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American Born: Pistol Pete

Non American: Arvydas Sabonis

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:21 am

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Jbi11s wrote:

Non American: Arvydas Sabonis

I never saw any of his international play, but there is no way he is the best foreign born player in the history of the association. He was pretty much broken down when he got to Portland.

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Douchebag wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Non American: Arvydas Sabonis

I never saw any of his international play, but there is no way he is the best foreign born player in the history of the association. He was pretty much broken down when he got to Portland.

My bad. But he was the best. In his 30's he was still a top 5 center in the league. I guess Dirk may be the best non American white looking guy to play in the NBA. Even though the guy has never been able to stop anyone on the defensive end.

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:29 am

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Don't sleep on Petrovic. His career was cut short, but he could really fill it up.

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:31 am

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Apologist wrote:

Don't sleep on Petrovic. His career was cut short, but he could really fill it up.

He crossed my mind, but like you said, he never got to his full potential. Petrovic and Sabonis are 2 players I wish there was more film on for different reasons.

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:31 am

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Apologist wrote:

Don't sleep on Petrovic. His career was cut short, but he could really fill it up.

My guy!

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i think detlef schremph was better then both those guys

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312player wrote:

i think detlef schremph was better then both those guys

Ha! No.

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:39 am

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312player wrote:

i think detlef schremph was better then both those guys

oh lord.

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312player wrote:

i think detlef schremph was better then both those guys

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:46 am

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i dont remember much about petrovich, but i remember sabonis...he looked very old and slow and fat/out of shape on portland.

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312player wrote:

i think detlef schremph was better then both those guys

You're officially disqualified from opining on European NBA players from the 90s.

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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:

312player wrote:

i think detlef schremph was better then both those guys

You're officially disqualified from opining on European NBA players from the 90s.

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Apologist

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:28 pm

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Detlef was really good, not necessarily better than Sabonis, Nowitzki or Petrovic. But he was very versatile, deadeye from 3 point land, and had a very good handle for a 6'10" forward. If he was your third or fourth guy, you had a really good team. He was more of a supporting type player, whereas the other guys mentioned (in their primes) could be considered franchise players.

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:22 pm

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Apologist wrote:

Awesome post. His contributions to Seattle really helped propel them for a few years.

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Apologist wrote:

How do you rate those 4 international guys? It's tougher than it looks. Detleff was sneaky good like you said.

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Is Steve nash considered an import?

Where does Manu and his 3 rings rank?

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:30 pm

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:36 pm

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Douchebag wrote:

That kid is good, but word on the street is his game hasn't progressed the last 2 years. Still one of the best players on the floor when the US team took on Spain in the Olympic trials.

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Joe Orr Road Rod

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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:05 pm

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Dan Issel was better than many guys mentioned in this thread.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Dan Issel was better than many guys mentioned in this thread.

Issel better than Pistol Pete? Define most.

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Joe Orr Road Rod

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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:10 pm

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Jbi11s wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Dan Issel was better than many guys mentioned in this thread.

Issel better than Pistol Pete? Define most.

One guy was a center. The other was a shooting guard. I'm not sure how you compare them.

Why do you require the definition of "most"?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Dan Issel was better than many guys mentioned in this thread.

Issel better than Pistol Pete? Define most.

One guy was a center. The other was a shooting guard. I'm not sure how you compare them.

Why do you require the definition of "most"?

I'm sorry. You said many guys in this thread. Who is Issel better than? Dave Cowens?

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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:22 pm

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Jbi11s wrote:

I'm sorry. You said many guys in this thread. Who is Issel better than? Dave Cowens?

Probably not. I didn't even notice Cowens getting a mention. Or Havlicek. But he was better than Schrempf, Smits, Chambers, Divac, Majerele, Rambis, Sloan, and some others that have been named here. I assume some of them are tongue in cheek, but not the ones I mentioned by name.

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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:25 pm