If you're going to leave one of those off, it should be Ewing.

Hakeem is a definite lock.
Robinson should be there too.

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I would say no to the Admiral and Ewing.

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Shaq is definitely in there. I don't see how Scottie can make the Top 50. He was extremely borderline ten years ago.

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Ewing was better than Robinson.

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This again?

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Neither in my book.

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Possible cuts from the original list?
James Worthy
Clyde Drexler

J does need to be there

Iverson should be on any real list IMO but I don't expect enough here to agree. I don't think Cousy should make it over him

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Well, you're going to have to push someone out of that anniversary Top 50 if you're adding guys like Wade, KG, and LeBron. Obviously, Pippen has to be one of the first guys to consider bumping, Bulls fan biases aside.

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Obviously. Best Big Man Ever.

I can agree that he might slide off the list now, but I had to give a when you made the dig about him not belonging on the original list. Just looked like you wanted to re-hash a 10 page thread all over again.

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Ok We've take ONE guy out

Cousy

He is universally regarded as one of the best defenders ever, almost invented the point forward concept, and regardless of some minor petty issues he was an awesome team player

Pippin is closer to top 20 all time than not making the list imo

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I'm not taking Scottie off the list before some of the people from the 50s and 60s who made that list. The NBA was not good back then. That's how Wilt Chamberlain could average like 50 points and 25 rebounds for a season.

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One more thing. When lebrons career is done I expect him to be top 10 but nobody can realistically put him over pippen on the list now

If longevity wasn't an issue bill Walton would be an easy lock

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I agree 100%.


What about Kemp and Gary Payton?

I really don't think he belonged on the original list. Defense is played by teams. I'm not taking away what Scottie did on defense, but if I'm on a court picking teams, could I really take Pippen ahead of a guy who could score at will like Bernard King or Aguirre? That's my problem with Rodman making the Hall of Fame. I just can't see that he was more important than a guy who could fill it up like Alex English, for example.

By the way, I'm not advocating for any of those guys in the all-time Top 50.

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Neither

No, Wilt averaged that because he was great. Who are the 50s and 60s guys on the original list you think were no good?

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Wilt averaged that because he was just taller and bigger than almost everyone else. It would be like putting Shaq in his prime against college players.

Wilt was a great player, but no one should be able to average 50 and 25.

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No kemp. Not to keep bashing Cousy but I'm not sure how he gets in above the glove or kidd

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Jordan did what he did because he was just quicker and more coordinated than almost everyone else.

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THE 50 GREATEST PLAYERS IN NBA HISTORY
(WITH THE AUTOMATICS REMOVED...THESE ARE THE ONES THAT CAN POSSIBLY BE REPLACED)


Nate Archibald

Paul Arizin


Rick Barry

Elgin Baylor

Dave Bing

Dave Cowens

Billy Cunningham

Dave DeBusschere

Clyde Drexler


Patrick Ewing

Walt Frazier

George Gervin

Hal Greer

John Havlicek

Elvin Hayes

Sam Jones


Jerry Lucas


Pete Maravich

Kevin McHale

George Mikan

Earl Monroe



Robert Parish

Bob Pettit

Scottie Pippen

Willis Reed

David Robinson


Dolph Schayes

Bill Sharman

Nate Thurmond

Wes Unseld

Bill Walton


Lenny Wilkens

James Worthy

If he wins a ring or two and maintains his current scoring output, Kevin Durant will eventually make the list. Not now, but eventually.

These guys can't be replaced either:


Elgin Baylor
Hal Greer
Elvin Hayes
Jerry Lucas
Pete Maravich
George Mikan
Bob Pettit
David Robinson
Dolph Schayes
Bill Sharman
Nate Thurmond
Wes Unseld
Bill Walton
Lenny Wilkens

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I definitely think dolph can go

Elgin Baylor shouldn't be on that possible replacement list. He needs to be a lock

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All the guys I listed should be locks including Schayes. He averaged 18 points and 12 rebounds for his career.

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These guys should be locks.
Elgin Baylor
George Gervin
Elvin Hayes
David Robinson
And why not Dominique Wilkins? The dude was a monster.

Do you think that Wilt Chamberlain is quicker or more coordinated than Dwight Howard or Shaq? I don't see Howard or Shaq ever going for 50 and 25 for a season.

You have to admit that the average NBA player back then was significantly worse and it made it easier for above average players to look like superstars.

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Ok this is the first Rough Draft

So if making a case, subtract one from here and put one on.





Michael Jordan
Wilt Chamberlain
Kobe Bryant
Shaquille O'Neal
Bill Russell

Oscar Robertson
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Hakeem Olajuwan
Jerry West

Moses Malone
Kareem Abdul Jabaar
Bob Cousy
Dirk Nowitzki
Tim Duncan

Kevin Garnett
D Wade
Dirk
Jason Kidd
Barkely

Malone
Stockton
Elgin Baylor
Hal Greer
Elvin Hayes

Jerry Lucas
Pete Maravich
George Mikan
Bob Pettit
David Robinson

Dolph Schayes
Bill Sharman
Nate Thurmond
Wes Unseld
Bill Walton

Lenny Wilkens
Isaiah Thomas
LeBron James
Dywayne Wade
Dominique Wilkins

Barkely
Allen Iverson
Bernard King
Kevin McHale
Havilcheck

Rick Barry
Steve Nash
Scottie Pippen
Paul Pierce
Walt Frazier