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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:12 pm 
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It just hit me.

Painful.

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And knowing what David Stern looks like at 2:00AM EST, I'd rather be french kissing Lindsay Lohan.

So David Stern in his pjs turned you on?

OmG... It feels so hollow. Betrayal!

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It just hit me.

Painful.



I wish it hit harder.

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Jbi11s wrote:
It just hit me.

Painful.



I wish it hit harder.

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Kicking a man while he's down.

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I'm sad too.

Tonight would be perfect for an NBA doubleheader.

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Tonight would be perfect for an NBA doubleheader.



that's what Lebron's mom said.


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WHY AM I READING TWEETS FROM ROGER MASON JR.??????????????????????? :evil: :evil: :evil:

That guy may want to rethink his twitter name.

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We've done a bad job stating our position to the public. It's impossible to get fan support when you're talking about millionaire athletes.

Maybe you would get better fan support being a millionaire athlete if you didn't have a twitter handle called MoneyMase. And you suck at basketball.

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just reminds me of Ma$e the rapper, who also sucked


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just reminds me of Ma$e the rapper, who also sucked

How can you not like this?

I see the girls in the club, they gettin' wild for me
And all the pretty chicks all wanna smile at me
These rap cats man they all got they style from me
And if I ever said hey man they probably bow to me
And when this beat - drop I know they gon' lean
World debut, I know they gon' fiend
Everything, Mississippi to the Palm Springs
Girls from brunettes down to blonde queens
These young boys don't know what a don mean
I'm just a bad boy gone clean
I'm the diamond chain choker, always remain sober
Don't drink liquor and all the games over
Need a plane, I explain it to my broker
Three bots in the hood top down, it ain't nova (My homie)
You know there's more man where that come from
Me and Cudda Love rollin' back to back in one

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i don't think any rapper got their style from Mase...


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Guess I won't be using those Bulls tickets I won a couple weeks ago at a silent auction.

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 Post subject: Re: Lockout News
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Well Stern didn't cancel the season, but did cancel untill December 15.


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 Post subject: Re: Lockout News
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Not exactly lockout related, but I have no doubt this is true. The Knicks did everything they possibly could to shed cap space before 2010.

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NEW YORK -- Former NBA guard Cuttino Mobley filed a lawsuit against Madison Square Garden on Wednesday, accusing the New York Knicks of pressuring him to retire as a way to save approximately $19 million.

Mobley retired because of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, a heart disease, shortly after the Knicks acquired him from the Los Angeles Clippers on Nov. 21, 2008. He knew he had an irregularity with the heart, but an MRI exam the team ordered after his physical revealed the more serious condition.

The lawsuit filed in the Southern District of New York contends the Knicks knew of Mobley's condition but pushed to make the trade anyway, then sent him to specialists they knew would oppose him playing, so insurance could pay his contract and it wouldn't count against the luxury tax.

The Knicks were trying to create salary-cap space for the summer of 2010, and the trade allowed them to move Zach Randolph's hefty contract. The Knicks could have voided the trade after Mobley's test, but instead waived the physical requirement -- a decision that the suit said meant $19 million through insurance payments and amounts saved under the luxury tax.

"The Knicks saved millions, and cleared room under the salary cap in their quest to retain the services of other marquis (sic) players, but Mobley's career was effectively ended," the suit says.

It adds that Mobley had been medically cleared to play every year of his career and had never experienced any symptoms, and that he has suffered "irreparable injury, monetary damages, mental anguish, emotional distress, humiliation, and other compensable damages as a result of defendant's discriminatory practices."

The Knicks said they understood Mobley's frustrations but were "extremely disappointed" in his actions.

"When the Knicks obtained Cuttino in November of 2008, the team fully expected him to be our starting shooting guard. It was a significant set-back to our team when we learned he would not be able to play following initial reports from his physical," the Knicks said in a statement.

"The team and Cuttino agreed he would then see top experts, including doctors at Tufts Medical Center in Boston and additional experts, for various opinions. On the day of his retirement, Cuttino publicly stated that he had no choice but to follow the advice of the doctors and step away from the league. We are confident Cuttino's claims have no merit and will not prevail."

Mobley averaged 16 points per game in 11 NBA seasons and was expected to assume the guard spot that was vacated when the Knicks dealt Jamal Crawford to Golden State in another trade the same day they acquired Mobley. But he never played for New York, spending his brief time with the team seeing four specialists around the country for further information about the disease, the leading cause of sudden cardiac death in people under 30 years old and linked to the deaths of former Boston Celtics forward Reggie Lewis and Loyola Marymount star Hank Gathers.

Then 33, Mobley said at the time that "the doctors said to not chance it and I feel as though they're right, having an 8-year old son, having a long life ahead of me, it's the smart thing."

But the lawsuit says Mobley has never filed his official retirement paperwork and has had discussions about a contract with other teams, but that none of them would sign him because the Knicks had medically disqualified him.

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 Post subject: Re: Lockout News
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If he didn't have the heart thing would you trot Mobely out there with the Bulls? I know he never met a shot he didn't like but he would have some open looks on this team and what the hell better than Keith Bogans anywhat.

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 Post subject: Re: Lockout News
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If he didn't have the heart thing would you trot Mobely out there with the Bulls? I know he never met a shot he didn't like but he would have some open looks on this team and what the hell better than Keith Bogans anywhat.

Well, he hasn't played in 3 years, and by the time the lockout is over it will probably be 4 years. I was a big Mobley fan when he was with Houston, but he's done.

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If he didn't have the heart thing would you trot Mobely out there with the Bulls? I know he never met a shot he didn't like but he would have some open looks on this team and what the hell better than Keith Bogans anywhat.

Well, he hasn't played in 3 years, and by the time the lockout is over it will probably be 4 years. I was a big Mobley fan when he was with Houston, but he's done.

No I agree I more meant if he never had to step away because of the heart ailment. I just miss basketball talk :(

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/ian_thomsen/11/16/David.Stern.lockout/index.html

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A camera, a chair and David Stern could save the NBA season

Here is the last, best hope for the NBA.

A small, empty ballroom is rented in a New York hotel. A single chair and a single television camera are placed in the center of the room. Commissioner David Stern sits in the chair.

He invites any current NBA player, owner or union -- excuse me, trade association -- representative to visit him.

They will come, trust me. They will come and they will talk to Stern, and maybe the 2011-12 season and the NBA can be saved from self-destruction.

The TV camera is vital. Nothing can happen without the eye and ear of the camera. Anyone will be able to hear everything that is said, because all of the conversations will be broadcast live and without interruption on NBA TV and streamed on NBA.com.

These will not be anything like the secretive, cynical negotiations that have conspired for the last two-and-a-half years to doom the NBA. Instead, these will be constructive conversations conducted by people who wish to rescue their league. Nothing official, nothing binding, and nothing more than a quiet attempt to find salvation.

Stern will be available in the room from 9 a.m. until 5 p.m., Monday through Friday, with an hour for lunch. "I am here to talk,'' he will say. "Let us talk about what is keeping us apart.''

This is not a whimsical, wouldn't-it-be-nice suggestion I am making here. No, this is an entirely serious and necessary response to a crisis of the NBA's own making. A season of basketball is on the verge of cancellation because the owners and players are failing to communicate with each other. Most of the owners and most of the players want no part of this destruction. They have to be wondering how in the name of Bill Russell did it ever get to this point.

The problem has been secrecy, which has been forming in layer upon suffocating layer.

The secrecy began with Stern's edict that no owner or management employee speak one word publicly of the negotiations. That order was meant to encourage ownership to speak with a single voice through Stern. But the goal of unity has backfired. The gag order has encouraged some owners to engage in selfish negotiations, so that the richest of them pursue their needs and the less-rich -- the so-called small-market owners -- hold out for the needs of their own. They have been invited to indulge themselves at the expense of the NBA because they are not being held accountable for their self-indulgences. Secrecy has brought out the worst in them.

The union -- excuse me, the trade association -- has engaged in its own corrupting secrecy and disorganization. Most players didn't have access to the NBA's "final'' proposal until a leaked copy was published in full by USA Today the night before the crucial meeting of player representatives Monday.

In that meeting, which was meant to decide whether the proposal should be put to a vote of the full membership, each of the 30 NBA teams was supposed to be represented by a player. As reported by my colleague Sam Amick, three teams had no representative at the meeting. Other representatives failed to contact their teammates or lacked the understanding of the proposal that was necessary to engage their teammates in the debate. Therefore a large number of players wound up having little or no say in the decision that was made to abruptly end the negotiations, disband the union and file a lawsuit against the NBA.

In addition, any player who wished to attend the meeting was invited to have a say in its outcome. In other words, this was the kind of democracy where you had a vote as long as you happened to live in New York or were willing to pay your way to get there. But if you happened to be an NBA player anywhere other than New York, well, too bad for you.

If a different group of players had just so happened to be in New York on Monday, might a different decision have been reached?

Here are a couple of questions even more damning: If the players had communicated among themselves in an organized way in the days leading up to that meeting, might they have voted to ratify the proposal? Or might they -- with a unified voice some 450 strong -- have been able to force the owners back to the bargaining table?

This is where the players simply don't get it. They accuse the owners of bullying. But the players invite the bullying. The players encourage owners to bully them because the owners fully recognize that the union -- sorry, the trade association -- is disorganized and thereby prone to manipulation. Every individual NBA player demands respect because he is one of the best in the world at his sport. But as a 450-member team, the NBA players are to unity what the Timberwolves have been to team basketball lately. Just as you may respect the Timberwolves' individual talent but laugh about their play as a team, so too do the owners respect the talents of NBA players but openly laugh about their dysfunctional leadership.

The players ought to be furious at themselves for their failure to organize. Consider the fact that the administrative leadership of this trade association went through a similar work stoppage in 1998-99, and yet, with two years to prepare for the current lockout, failed to take the steps necessary to improve its teamwork.

If the players had been organized and unified, would the owners have dared to demand so many concessions? Probably not, especially since the owners are themselves fragmented.

So here the NBA finds itself today, with back-room owners who don't respect the players as a group, and players who, for lack of any better option at this late date, have put their faith in lawyers and an unprecedented lawsuit, which, if ultimately successful, would bankrupt the owners and put the NBA out of business.

This is why David Stern needs to sit in a chair and make himself available.

He needs to show humility. He needs to lower his voice and listen, in hopes that others eventually will do the same. The NBA is about to die for lack of leadership, and Stern needs to show it. He needs to make himself vulnerable for the sake of his league.

If some of his owners don't want him to engage in so public a spectacle, then they can fire him. Let them try. He is 69 and it's not like he needs the money. What he needs -- and what his owners need, whether they realize it or not -- is to rescue the league that he has been building since he became general counsel in 1978, when the players were enormously unpopular and the owners were threatened by insolvency. All of the gains Stern has generated over the last three decades are now at risk.

So now he must put himself at risk. There is a chance that no player will come to see him. Maybe he will sit in a room by himself and his camera all day. Maybe people will laugh at the old man, sitting there alone.

More than anything, I think he will be respected for attempting to find another way. He will be putting himself at risk for a cause larger than himself. Some will laugh, but others will admire the attempt, succeed or fail.

The trade association may try to prevent players from participating, but players will come. The lawyers have no right to dictate a gag order because the lawyers are being paid by the players.

Players will come to New York to have it out with Stern, and anyone who cares to watch will be able to hear everything that is said. There won't be any secret agendas any longer. There will be arguments and misunderstandings, but the public nature of the conversations -- thanks to the unblinking TV camera -- will force all parties to pursue the higher ground. As the discussion evolves, there will be less talk about individual needs and more about the needs of the league. Why will the NBA be better if the players have more access to free agency? Why will the NBA be better if the Los Angeles Lakers are prevented from outspending by 2-1 the Sacramento Kings?

This is the only way to create a new era for the NBA. The owners and players need more than a new agreement. They need to share an understanding and respect for each other in order to grow their business. The only way to escape the hole in which they are threatening to bury themselves is for them to begin to talk. They must do so informally and transparently, without protocol, in pursuit of mutual respect.

The system of negotiating a new collectively bargained agreement is broken and there is no time to fix it. In sympathy with the movement to "Occupy Wall Street,'' the NBA must, in effect, occupy itself. Day after day, week after week, it must engage in the kind of reasonable and constructive dialogue that has been ravaged by the old, corrupted system. If some of the broadcast language turns out to be unsuitable for children, then such is the small price of democracy.

The important thing is that the conversations go through Stern. Owners and players will speak one after the other, on live TV, to the commissioner. Stern will serve as both moderator and mediator. He will say things that some people won't like, but everything said by him and everyone else will be on the record. Eventually the difference between good ideas and bad ideas will become obvious. Patience will be encouraged and rewarded. Everyone who cares enough to come will have the chance to ask questions or share his opinion.

Maybe these conversations can do for the NBA what the Watergate hearings did for American government in the 1970s. The public nature of those hearings helped cleanse government of its secrecy because everything was said in full view of the public, and leaders were held accountable for what they believed in. The demands of the crisis and the transparency of the hearings inspired Republicans and Democrats to work together in order to rescue the country.

Maybe these conversations will gather their own momentum. Understandings will be shared. Good ideas will be generated. Eventually the give-and-take will draw the hard-liners on both sides from out of the shadows, afraid for these talks to go on without their input.

Maybe the framework of a new agreement will be built in time to save the season while restoring civility between the players and the owners.

By making this proposal, I am opening myself to accusations that I am a naive fool whose suggestion, like the NBA itself, is doomed.

But I can't help but ask: What is there to hide?

What is there to lose?

A camera, a chair and David Stern. It's not like he has anything better to do.

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Magic is part owner of a team...I think I know where his interests are.

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Update: if NBA can start games on Christmas, it will play a 66-game season, per source.
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Everytime they look at each other they have come to an agreement.....just bullshit

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I just wonder what's changed to make all this happen, the season was pretty much lost, now it looks like a better than good chance the season starts on Christmas day.


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The owners are shoving this so far up the players asses that they should feel like a woman with Kobe in Colorado :wink:

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Reports: NBA lockout is over

Posted by Gary Washburn Globe Staff November 26, 2011 03:20 AM

By Gary Washburn, Globe staff

After nearly five months and the cancelation of hundreds of games, the NBA and its players have reached agreement on a new collective bargaining agreement, according to reports out of New York. CBSsports.com was the first to report the breaking news.

The season is expected to start Dec. 25 and it is uncertain whether the league will pick up from its original schedule or add more games. The two sides agreed to talk again this week after the NBA Players Association disbanded and became a trade association. The NBPA filed two lawsuits against the league in the past two weeks.

Those lawsuits would have to be settled, and the league would have to carve time for free agency, training camp and a short preseason. When it appeared the season would be canceled, the two sides began talking informally this week and talks became serious Friday and lasted until 3 a.m. Saturday before reports surfaced that an agreement had been reached.

If the schedule does not change, the Celtics would open the season at Madison Square Garden in New York on Dec. 25. The Celtics' first home game would be Dec. 30 against the Detroit Pistons.

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NBA owners, players reach tentative deal

By BRIAN MAHONEY, AP Basketball Writer – 2 minutes ago

NEW YORK (AP) —NBA owners and players reached a tentative agreement early Saturday morning to end the 149-day lockout.

After a secret meeting earlier this week, the sides met for more than 15 hours Friday, working to try to save the season.

"We've reached a tentative understanding that is subject to a variety of approvals and very complex machinations, but we're optimistic that will all come to pass and that the NBA season will begin Dec. 25," Commissioner David Stern said.

This handshake deal still must be ratified by both owners and players.

"We thought it was in both of our best interests to try to reach a resolution and save the game," union executive director Billy Hunter said.

A majority on each side is needed. The NBA needs votes from 15 of 29 owners. (The league owns the New Orleans Hornets.) The union needs a simple majority of its 430-plus members. That process is a bit more complicated after the players dissolved the union Nov. 14. Now, they must drop their antitrust lawsuit in Minnesota and reform the union before voting on the deal.

The settlement was first reported by CBSSports.com.

When last talks broke down, the sides were still divided over the division of revenues and certain changes sought by owners to curb spending by big-market teams that players felt would limit or restrict their options in free agency.

On Nov. 14, players rejected the owners' proposal, which included opening a 72-game schedule on Dec. 15, announcing instead they were disbanding the union, giving them a chance to win several billion dollars in triple damages in an antitrust lawsuit.

Two days later, players filed two separate antitrust lawsuits against the league in two different states. On Monday, a group of named plaintiffs including Carmelo Anthony, Steve Nash and Kevin Durant filed an amended federal lawsuit against the league in Minnesota, hoping the courts there will be as favorable to them as they have been to NFL players in the past.

Now, players will dismiss that lawsuit and get back to the business of basketball.

The previous CBA expired at the end of the day June 30. Despite a series of meetings in June, there was never much hope of a deal before that deadline, with owners wanting significant changes after saying they lost $300 million last season and hundreds of millions more in each year of the old agreement, which was ratified in 2005.

Owners wanted to keep more of the league's nearly $4 billion in basketball revenues to themselves after guaranteeing 57 percent to the players under the old deal. And they sought a system where even the smallest-market clubs could compete, believing the current system would always favor the teams who could spend the most.

Initially, the salary cap emerged as the biggest obstacle. Owners first proposed a hard cap, but players fought hard to maintain the current system that allows teams to exceed the cap through the use of various exceptions.

The league was adamant the system needed some adjustment, because the old rules gave too many advantages to teams who could afford to keep adding to their payrolls. So the league's proposals targeted the highest-spending teams, seeking to eliminate the use of the midlevel exception by teams over the luxury tax and prevent them from participating in sign-and-trade deals.

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The NBA lockout is over
By Kelly Dwyer

It took a 15-hour session pitched between the NBA and player representatives in New York that spilled over from Friday into early Saturday morning. It took nearly half a year, from pre-Draft negotiations in early summer spread nearly into the precipice of a chilly East Coast winter. But it's over. Good god almighty it's over. The NBA and its players have come to a tentative agreement, and the NBA lockout is over.

Details are scarce at this point, though ardent followers of this mess no doubt have an idea of where both sides stand a week from December, but one can certainly conclude that the NBA will begin playing basketball on Christmas Day. How the league's makeup, the way teams put together rosters and attempt to secure consistent revenue streams, remains to be seen. The reaction of the fans, alienated by a work stoppage in the midst of one of the worst global economic crisis of the last century, is easier to anticipate. Still, nearly all of that is washed away because of the promise of actual NBA basketball, set to tip off about a month from now.

From here, and in the comments section, you're right to rant about the needless, enervating mess that was this labor negotiation between the NBA and its players.

You're right to rave, though, as well. You're correct in picking fights with Celtics fans, or pointing out that Kobe was swept out of the playoffs last May. Point to the Mavericks' tired legs, the fact that Chicago can't shoot, or the idea that Miami is "Hollywood as hell."

For once, though, you're going to get to talk about basketball with an endgame in mind. We, as fans, barely got to do that even in the heat of a spectacular 2010-11 season because of the uncertainty of the long-anticipated lockout. And though we won't know which free agent is going where and under what financial terms for a few days; we do have basketball to prepare for. If you're not giddy at this point, even after being let down too many times to count, then I don't even know why you're on this site.

This is where we come in. Follow Ball Don't Lie, and the menschs that supply us with the honest-to-goodness reporting at Yahoo! Sports, for whatever follows.

For the first time in half a year, cats and kittens, we've got something to follow. Our long, needless nightmare is over. React accordingly.

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 Post subject: Re: Lockout News
PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:41 am 
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Our long, needless nightmare is over.

Pardon me, but most of our nightmares here began on 7/29/2009, but I digress.

I would maintain that none of this was needless. Much like our federal government, the NAB needs to get it's fiscal house righted in order to preserve what we have all come to expect at this time of the year.

Oh yeah, don't forget to go fuck yourself.

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 Post subject: Re: Lockout News
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Wow a sport that Terry Boers will have actually watched the game before talking about it.
Good news to those who actually watch this league.

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