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| Author: | RFDC [ Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
Antarctica wrote: RFDC wrote: Antarctica wrote: 312player wrote: I'm assuming America is pissed that the Sox didn't pull the trade off. That's a very weak haul for Betts. I had initially thought it was more when news of the trade was first breaking. The White Sox could've beaten this offer by giving up either one of Madrigal or Vaughn, not even both. I bet they could've swung it for a package as paltry as Cease and Stiever, maybe having to toss in one of the high school righties they took last year to push that deal over the top. But the Dodgers got him basically for free. They gave up nothing they give a shit about. Verdugo is not nothing? He is pretty good young player He's a brat. A ticking time bomb. ok I guess I don't know much about the kid personality wise...what are you basing this on? |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
Red Sox got raped. They still own half of Price's contract. It's obvious they were desperate about getting out from under the luxury tax. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
Nardi wrote: Red Sox got raped. They still own half of Price's contract. It's obvious they were desperate about getting out from under the luxury tax. Not good when teams like the Cubs and Boston are moving their top players in their prime to get under the luxury tax. The tax is bad for the game. |
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| Author: | BigW72 [ Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
No, poor drafting and handing out stupid contracts is bad for the game. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
312player wrote: Nardi wrote: Red Sox got raped. They still own half of Price's contract. It's obvious they were desperate about getting out from under the luxury tax. Not good when teams like the Cubs and Boston are moving their top players in their prime to get under the luxury tax. The tax is bad for the game. I disagree. I think the tax is fine. In fact they should have a more firm cap. The problem in how it got set up is no floor to eliminate the small teams pocketing the welfare checks. If baseball ever had parity like football it would be so beautiful and grow the game immensely. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
Yep. MLB needs a salary cap and a salary floor. |
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| Author: | Warren Newson [ Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
312player wrote: Nardi wrote: Red Sox got raped. They still own half of Price's contract. It's obvious they were desperate about getting out from under the luxury tax. Not good when teams like the Cubs and Boston are moving their top players in their prime to get under the luxury tax. The tax is bad for the game. Bernstein was saying the same thing this morning, but I have to disagree. One of the other "haves," to use Bernstein's language, is going to sign Betts next off season to a huge contract. It's just not going to be the Cubs or the Red Sox. The luxury tax is just spreading these guys around and not letting them pool on one team. |
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| Author: | GoldenJet [ Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
The Angels are loading up. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
GoldenJet wrote: The Angels are loading up. Kinda. But are they a threat? Maybe to Oakland. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
Anaheim still lacking pitching. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
Warren Newson wrote: 312player wrote: Nardi wrote: Red Sox got raped. They still own half of Price's contract. It's obvious they were desperate about getting out from under the luxury tax. Not good when teams like the Cubs and Boston are moving their top players in their prime to get under the luxury tax. The tax is bad for the game. Bernstein was saying the same thing this morning, but I have to disagree. One of the other "haves," to use Bernstein's language, is going to sign Betts next off season to a huge contract. It's just not going to be the Cubs or the Red Sox. The luxury tax is just spreading these guys around and not letting them pool on one team. What five teams do you feel have the biggest disadvantage in terms of having a large payroll? |
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| Author: | BigW72 [ Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
no team has a disadvantage having financial resources. that's Bernstein idiocy. The luxury tax is doing exactly posed to do. I do agree, a floor is desperately needed. You take the handout, you should have to spend it on payroll. Parity makes the game better....I love the parity aspect of the NFL. |
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| Author: | Warren Newson [ Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
312player wrote: Warren Newson wrote: 312player wrote: Nardi wrote: Red Sox got raped. They still own half of Price's contract. It's obvious they were desperate about getting out from under the luxury tax. Not good when teams like the Cubs and Boston are moving their top players in their prime to get under the luxury tax. The tax is bad for the game. Bernstein was saying the same thing this morning, but I have to disagree. One of the other "haves," to use Bernstein's language, is going to sign Betts next off season to a huge contract. It's just not going to be the Cubs or the Red Sox. The luxury tax is just spreading these guys around and not letting them pool on one team. What five teams do you feel have the biggest disadvantage in terms of having a large payroll? I don't think any team that has the resources to maintain a large payroll has any meaningful competitive disadvantage just by virtue of their high payroll. However, some of them have put themselves in a disadvantageous situation by agreeing to bad contracts. |
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| Author: | The Hawk [ Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
Nardi wrote: Red Sox got raped. They still own half of Price's contract. It's obvious they were desperate about getting out from under the luxury tax. I can't imagine how pissed Red Sox nation is right now. They did get royally screwed in that deal. And their return was nowhere near what it should have been. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
Warren Newson wrote: 312player wrote: Warren Newson wrote: 312player wrote: Nardi wrote: Red Sox got raped. They still own half of Price's contract. It's obvious they were desperate about getting out from under the luxury tax. Not good when teams like the Cubs and Boston are moving their top players in their prime to get under the luxury tax. The tax is bad for the game. Bernstein was saying the same thing this morning, but I have to disagree. One of the other "haves," to use Bernstein's language, is going to sign Betts next off season to a huge contract. It's just not going to be the Cubs or the Red Sox. The luxury tax is just spreading these guys around and not letting them pool on one team. What five teams do you feel have the biggest disadvantage in terms of having a large payroll? I don't think any team that has the resources to maintain a large payroll has any meaningful competitive disadvantage just by virtue of their high payroll. However, some of them have put themselves in a disadvantageous situation by agreeing to bad contracts. I'm asking for teams with a disadvantage, my point was even the smallest market team is owned by a billionaire, me at likely said billionaire bought the team for 60-200 million and saw their investment soar into the billions. These guys can all afford a 200 plus million payroll..they just want to pocket that money. |
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| Author: | MongoMuller [ Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
312player wrote: Anaheim still lacking pitching. After the trade the Angels are the 4th best team in baseball according to FanGraphs. I see a lot of 7-5 wins this season. The starting pitching is improved with the additions of Ohtani, Stripling, Teheran, and Bundy but at best they're probably 15th in MLB. Ohtani has ace stuff, Stripling has some crazy metrics and Canning looks promising so the top half might be in good shape. The most important thing will be the starters getting thru 5 on a fairly consistent basis so the bullpen doesn't get blown out before June. The bullpen should be pretty good...Eppler has been stocking up on power arms. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
RFDC wrote: Antarctica wrote: RFDC wrote: Antarctica wrote: 312player wrote: I'm assuming America is pissed that the Sox didn't pull the trade off. That's a very weak haul for Betts. I had initially thought it was more when news of the trade was first breaking. The White Sox could've beaten this offer by giving up either one of Madrigal or Vaughn, not even both. I bet they could've swung it for a package as paltry as Cease and Stiever, maybe having to toss in one of the high school righties they took last year to push that deal over the top. But the Dodgers got him basically for free. They gave up nothing they give a shit about. Verdugo is not nothing? He is pretty good young player He's a brat. A ticking time bomb. ok I guess I don't know much about the kid personality wise...what are you basing this on? Verdugo would have been a platoon OF this year. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
MongoMuller wrote: 312player wrote: Anaheim still lacking pitching. After the trade the Angels are the 4th best team in baseball according to FanGraphs. I see a lot of 7-5 wins this season. The starting pitching is improved with the additions of Ohtani, Stripling, Teheran, and Bundy but at best they're probably 15th in MLB. Ohtani has ace stuff, Stripling has some crazy metrics and Canning looks promising so the top half might be in good shape. The most important thing will be the starters getting thru 5 on a fairly consistent basis so the bullpen doesn't get blown out before June. The bullpen should be pretty good...Eppler has been stocking up on power arms. Be a good team to trade Quintana to. I still think Oakland is the best team in that division. |
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| Author: | BigW72 [ Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
I certainly understand why you'd WANT to trade Quintana.....problem is....who starts in his place? That's a mighty thin starting pitcher list on the Cubs. |
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| Author: | The Hawk [ Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
GoldenJet wrote: The Angels are loading up. They'll be better but they were horrific last year and their pitching staff still sucks. I also don't know if Pedersen is going to be controllable in the clubhouse either. We will see. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
BigW72 wrote: I certainly understand why you'd WANT to trade Quintana.....problem is....who starts in his place? That's a mighty thin starting pitcher list on the Cubs. Who cares? Bring up two AAA arms to combine for 150 innings. This team isn't winning the division or getting a WC. |
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| Author: | Antarctica [ Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
The Angels are what you get when you try to put together a roster with the best WAR. I dont think they'll make it to .500. |
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| Author: | The Hawk [ Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
MongoMuller wrote: 312player wrote: Anaheim still lacking pitching. After the trade the Angels are the 4th best team in baseball according to FanGraphs. I see a lot of 7-5 wins this season. The starting pitching is improved with the additions of Ohtani, Stripling, Teheran, and Bundy but at best they're probably 15th in MLB. Ohtani has ace stuff, Stripling has some crazy metrics and Canning looks promising so the top half might be in good shape. The most important thing will be the starters getting thru 5 on a fairly consistent basis so the bullpen doesn't get blown out before June. The bullpen should be pretty good...Eppler has been stocking up on power arms. Nah. Their pitching still stinks and Ohtani is a huge unknown still because he is pretty fragile as a starting pitcher. Then there is the question about whether he can play both in the field and on the mound. He certainly is an athletic freak and very talented but I think a smart pitcher can get him out pretty easy by busting him hard inside and getting him off of the plate and then change-ups and curves outside. |
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| Author: | Antarctica [ Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
There have to be teams who are calling Boston and at least trying to beat the measly offer of Verdugo and Graterol. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
Antarctica wrote: There have to be teams who are calling Boston and at least trying to beat the measly offer of Verdugo and Graterol. If they pass their physicals, it's a done deal, no? |
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| Author: | Antarctica [ Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
Minnesota has backed out and the trade as we knew it is definitively off. Betts is back on the market. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
Antarctica wrote: Minnesota has backed out and the trade as we knew it is definitively off. Betts is back on the market. It'll still get done between the Dodgers and Red Sox I think. Glad Maeda isn't going to the Twins. |
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| Author: | Antarctica [ Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
I would say 50% Betts isn't traded, 25% someone else steps up with a real offer and swoops him and 25% the Dodgers break down and actually pay a price commensurate with a player of Betts' caliber. The idea of them only needing to part with Kenta Maeda and Alex Verdugo to get maybe the best player in the game (call me when Trout wins a playoff game) is gladly dead. They should at least be forced to give up a single prospect in this deal. If not Lux then definitely May and Downs. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: '19-'20 Offseason |
Back alive. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:08 pm ] |
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