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Teams are dumb and dont know how to bring people to the park.

Godfella wrote:

tommy wrote:

It's not just the tickets; it's the cost of everything else as well. You can be a crab-ass and say, "Well, don't don't eat or drink anything, or bring your food with ya!" And that makes some sense, but eating is part of the experience. God knows they barrage you with "Buy! Buy! Buy!" every step of the way, from the parking lot to the seat.

I'm glad I no longer drink....

I don't drink either but I was determined to get a Sox helmet nacho when we were there in May. I think the nachos without the helmet was $16 and with helmet was $19? Anyway, that was my ballpark treat and I shared with Mrs Fella... a little. They were good and I got a souvenir for my work cave.

I actually talked my kids into getting ice cream just for the helmets!

I'm going to a lot of games this year, but most of them are out of town games with one of my cousins. Our deal is that I pick up the hotel costs using loyalty points, he picks up the tickets.

If I'm going to games myself, I have a $50 limit all-in for big league games and $35 for minor league games

When I was at the game Friday night there were four goofs behind me who were discussing the game through their version of "advanced analytics" the entire night. By "their version" I mean a lot of shit wasn't right.

Everyone was always for the player to get max amounts from the evil owners. They never realize the owners are having to not lose money. The extraordinary inflation in costs and earnings has priced out fans and many other intangibles.

Yes, $7. Not sure about Canal, but State St south of 37th still has plenty of free parking.

Frank Coztansa wrote:

Yes, $7. Not sure about Canal, but State St south of 37th still has plenty of free parking.

39th ends residential parking.

We’ve moved to primarily taking the kids to minor league games as it’s the only way to go and not have it cost you a car payment for the evening. That new ballpark in Rosemont is great. Concessions are still an issue though since Levy handles them and the prices are just as bad as the MLB parks.

Bernstein says "Who has time to go to a game?" How is this different than 10 years ago? Didn't parents in their 30s and 40s then have just as much to do and the same amount of free time? The bigger question is what are the demographics of fans and how has that changed. Personally, I went to a lot of games in my 20s when my friends and I did not have kids. Are 20-something year olds not going to games like in the past? While cost is definitely a factor, games were never cheap.

I am only guessing but I think we would be very surprised how few 20-30 year olds are going to games. And when they do it’s likely a once a year thing like going to six Flags.

pittmike wrote:

I am only guessing but I think we would be very surprised how few 20-30 year olds are going to games. And when they do it’s likely a once a year thing like going to six Flags.

Hey, you turn baseball stadiums into theme parks with the price points of theme parks, you get the attendance pattern of theme parks.

Why is a host on the Cubs flagship dismissing the mere notion of having time to see the Cubs play?

Redline. Catch it. Either park.

? Didn't parents in their 30s and 40s then have just as much to do and the same amount of free time?

You can still park up on 31st and Canal for free, right?

the 21st century human being that has the attention span of a nat.

Author:	pittmike [ Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:32 pm ]
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America wrote: Teams are dumb and dont know how to bring people to the park. Outside of special circumstances teams will not draw max outside of winning windows. Additionally the idea of basing your model on season ticket sales is about done. Corps are done being ripped off and may lose tax breaks and regular fans either can’t afford or don’t have their me for them.

Author:	Godfella [ Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:34 pm ]
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tommy wrote: Godfella wrote: tommy wrote: It's not just the tickets; it's the cost of everything else as well. You can be a crab-ass and say, "Well, don't don't eat or drink anything, or bring your food with ya!" And that makes some sense, but eating is part of the experience. God knows they barrage you with "Buy! Buy! Buy!" every step of the way, from the parking lot to the seat. I'm glad I no longer drink.... I don't drink either but I was determined to get a Sox helmet nacho when we were there in May. I think the nachos without the helmet was $16 and with helmet was $19? Anyway, that was my ballpark treat and I shared with Mrs Fella... a little. They were good and I got a souvenir for my work cave. I actually talked my kids into getting ice cream just for the helmets! Yep! Did the same at both parks so I could have a mini Cubs & Sox helmet set.

Author:	Chet Coppock's Fur Coat [ Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:37 pm ]
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I'm going to a lot of games this year, but most of them are out of town games with one of my cousins. Our deal is that I pick up the hotel costs using loyalty points, he picks up the tickets. If I'm going to games myself, I have a $50 limit all-in for big league games and $35 for minor league games - ticket in the lower bowl, parking, food. Which is why I'm going to more White Sox home games this year and not Cubs home games - shitty teams have cheaper tickets on Stubhub. That's what a pleasant evening of drinking, wasting money at the OTB, etc. would cost me. At the park, I try to stick with one kind of local sandwich or plate, a bottomless soft drink for Diet Coke/Pepsi, and some kind of ice cream (or if I have a mini of bourbon with me, a lemon chill. At the end of the day, ballpark food is Sportservice or Delaware North or Levy commissary, which makes it about equal with Chili's. At Wrigley, I eat nothing as the food is shit. I bring a small bag with home-mixed trail mix using ingredients from Trader Joe's, and maybe a venison stick from Ream's out in Elburn.

Author:	tommy [ Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:43 pm ]
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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote: I'm going to a lot of games this year, but most of them are out of town games with one of my cousins. Our deal is that I pick up the hotel costs using loyalty points, he picks up the tickets. If I'm going to games myself, I have a $50 limit all-in for big league games and $35 for minor league games I don't mind letting the kids spend some cash here since everything is so much cheaper. Even the goofy raffles they have for a dollar are worth it. My kids hate sports, though, so we only go together when we are on vacation.

Author:	Curious Hair [ Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:14 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: When I was at the game Friday night there were four goofs behind me who were discussing the game through their version of "advanced analytics" the entire night. By "their version" I mean a lot of shit wasn't right. Did you congratulate one of them on winning the first Score Search?

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Author:	conns7901 [ Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:19 pm ]
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pittmike wrote: Everyone was always for the player to get max amounts from the evil owners. They never realize the owners are having to not lose money. The extraordinary inflation in costs and earnings has priced out fans and many other intangibles. Fuck the owners. Prices would be the same, they would just keep more.

Author:	Brick [ Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:29 pm ]
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I can't wait for all the reactions about how the sport is dying and may not exist in 10 years!

Author:	Baby McNown [ Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:37 pm ]
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We’ve moved to primarily taking the kids to minor league games as it’s the only way to go and not have it cost you a car payment for the evening. That new ballpark in Rosemont is great. Concessions are still an issue though since Levy handles them and the prices are just as bad as the MLB parks.

Author:	America [ Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:39 pm ]
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Sox game are still $7, right? You can still park up on 31st and Canal for free, right? I get that concessions are ludicrous but you know you can go 3 hours without eating you'll live.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:50 pm ]
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Yes, $7. Not sure about Canal, but State St south of 37th still has plenty of free parking.

Author:	Terry's Peeps [ Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:22 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Yes, $7. Not sure about Canal, but State St south of 37th still has plenty of free parking. 39th ends residential parking.

Author:	Walt Williams Neck [ Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:09 pm ]
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Millenniums

Author:	good dolphin [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:38 am ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: Yes, $7. Not sure about Canal, but State St south of 37th still has plenty of free parking. 39th ends residential parking. I have never not been able to find free parking when I want it. I usually park at about 36th just east of state. There is a public school there so plenty of street parking during the summer. I now have a business vendor that lives in the neighborhood who gives me a residential parking pass so I usually park at the fire and former police stations at 35th and Lowe.

Author:	DAC [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:52 pm ]
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Bernstein says "Who has time to go to a game?" How is this different than 10 years ago? Didn't parents in their 30s and 40s then have just as much to do and the same amount of free time? The bigger question is what are the demographics of fans and how has that changed. Personally, I went to a lot of games in my 20s when my friends and I did not have kids. Are 20-something year olds not going to games like in the past? While cost is definitely a factor, games were never cheap.

Author:	whistler [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:37 am ]
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oh gawd so attendance is down slightly. big deal. next year it might go up again. why does "something need to be done"? if anything, how bout lowering ticket prices

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Author:	pittmike [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:56 pm ]
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I am only guessing but I think we would be very surprised how few 20-30 year olds are going to games. And when they do it’s likely a once a year thing like going to six Flags. Some teams will be outliers in certain areas aka Cubs but rare.

Author:	Cashman [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:56 pm ]
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Baby McNown wrote: We’ve moved to primarily taking the kids to minor league games as it’s the only way to go and not have it cost you a car payment for the evening. That new ballpark in Rosemont is great. Concessions are still an issue though since Levy handles them and the prices are just as bad as the MLB parks. Totally agree. I have Schaumburg and Kane county around me. I did go with a friend to see Kopech pitch down in Indy at the AAA stadium, very affordable.

Author:	beni hanna [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:57 pm ]
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Redline. Catch it. Either park.

Author:	Joe Orr Road Rod [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:01 pm ]
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To paraphrase Tony Fitzpatrick, I may not have a job but I can always find $50 to go to a ballgame.

Author:	Kirkwood [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:09 pm ]
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DAC wrote: Bernstein says "Who has time to go to a game?" How is this different than 10 years ago? Didn't parents in their 30s and 40s then have just as much to do and the same amount of free time? The bigger question is what are the demographics of fans and how has that changed. Personally, I went to a lot of games in my 20s when my friends and I did not have kids. Are 20-something year olds not going to games like in the past? While cost is definitely a factor, games were never cheap. We are not. A lot of more interesting things exists these days given the cost associated with ballgames on the Northside. Sox park is good bargain. Planning on going Friday. But that'll be it for the year. I got better shit to do.

Author:	Curious Hair [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:11 pm ]
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pittmike wrote: I am only guessing but I think we would be very surprised how few 20-30 year olds are going to games. And when they do it’s likely a once a year thing like going to six Flags. Hey, you turn baseball stadiums into theme parks with the price points of theme parks, you get the attendance pattern of theme parks. Why is a host on the Cubs flagship dismissing the mere notion of having time to see the Cubs play?

Author:	pittmike [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:30 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote: pittmike wrote: I am only guessing but I think we would be very surprised how few 20-30 year olds are going to games. And when they do it’s likely a once a year thing like going to six Flags. Hey, you turn baseball stadiums into theme parks with the price points of theme parks, you get the attendance pattern of theme parks. Why is a host on the Cubs flagship dismissing the mere notion of having time to see the Cubs play? No answer for flagship but I mentioned earlier sports sold out to tv money and inflated their customers right out of the picture.

Author:	newper [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:35 pm ]
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beni hanna wrote: Redline. Catch it. Either park. Lots of parking within walking distance at the 87th Street stop.

Author:	mrgoodkat [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:17 am ]
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DAC wrote: ? Didn't parents in their 30s and 40s then have just as much to do and the same amount of free time? It takes people hours to go through their Twitter timelines. This is in fact a societal debate. Shit fundamentally changed in so many ways that it's hard to nail them all down. Some people see circus bat flips as the answer while people like myself see the attraction of that and the ever inflating egos of sports and fellow citizens as a greater commentary on the current state of the 21st century human being that has the attention span of a nat.

Author:	whistler [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:38 am ]
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America wrote: You can still park up on 31st and Canal for free, right? only if know someone that lives there

Author:	Joe Orr Road Rod [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:00 am ]
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mrgoodkat wrote: the 21st century human being that has the attention span of a nat.

Author:	Chet Coppock's Fur Coat [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:23 am ]
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I'm free of work travel for the next three weeks, so I decided that I'd like to go see one of the evening DBacks@Cubs tilts in a week and a half. Cheapest terrace box ticket on Stubhub not in Section 201 is $73. I guess nobody's going. So instead, I picked up a Royals @ White Sox ticket for the following Tuesday night for $11 for the RF corner (109, row 33), which is cheaper than going to see the independent league team in Rosemont. That'll be my 8th game in total this season, which is about my average. When I move to North Carolina next year, I'll probably pick up Durham Bulls half-season tickets for 2020, in 2018 they are $342/seat for terrace between the bases for 36 games, and I know people at Duke Medical where I can donate tickets for games I can't make.