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 Post subject: Re: Hitting?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:35 am 
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I used to be a "the game is fine the way it is!" person but shit's gotten way out of hand.


It was. The launch angle crap is responsible for this.

The launch angle crap got the Cubs a world series and turning away from it cost them a postseason spot this year


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Yeah, that's part of the bullshit.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:39 am 
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A possible way to rebalance expanding the zone is to give teams 3 pitching changes per 9 inning game (with a new pitching change in extra's and every 3 innings after) and making 3 BB's an automatic ejection. Similar to the foul limit.
Or I could sleep in the park! You could knock these walls down, make it an eight room luxury suite.

:lol: :lol:

These drastic changes make me laugh every time.

How about we let batters use a bat twice as wide after each walk?

The game will correct itself just as it always has. Settle down, sweet cheeks.

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Yeah, that's part of the bullshit.


Golfing at Comiskey this weekend?

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I wanted to, but $75 was too much for 9 holes with a baby at home. It looks on and off rain all weekend anyway so I think I made the right decision. I can pay $11 to golf 9 holes at a local municipal track if time/weather allows.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:52 am 
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Pitchers are really good. Hitting is really hard.


Especially when you strategize to not swing the bat.


i wish someone had taught Terence Gore that strategy.


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I wanted to, but $75 was too much for 9 holes with a baby at home. It looks on and off rain all weekend anyway so I think I made the right decision. I can pay $11 to golf 9 holes at a local municipal track if time/weather allows.



You just made 75$ on the Cubs tickets ya cheap fuck.

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If I buy a $75 oven, would you stick your head in it?

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 Post subject: Re: Hitting?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:49 am 
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Part of this is bullpens that have guys firing 97 coming in to pitch in the 5th and 6th inning.

As time goes on, the 4 complete games by the Sox in the '05 ALCS is becoming more and more of a historic feat. In twenty years, its going to seem impossible that something like that ever happened.


It's impossible today.


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 Post subject: Re: Hitting?
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For those who have followed the debate over switching to an electronic strike zone, I have a question: do the errors predominantly favor the hitter (i.e., human umps are calling too many actual strikes as balls) or vice versa?


I think far more balls are being called strikes.



It varies from ump to ump (which is a problem right there), but the data supports on average +10 strikes per game per game. That is, the average ump calls 10 more outside the zone pitches strikes vs calling inside the zone pitches balls. All umps make mistakes both ways, but the mistakes tend to favor the pitchers.

Real Sports had a Man vs Machine segment covering the research of a professor from the notorious party school Yale who highlighted data backing up the assertion that umps make mistakes and the mistakes favor home teams e.g., game 7 of the 2011 World Series:

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Our Game 7 data shows that the home plate umpire (Layne) missed 14 calls in favor of the home team Cardinals – against only three for the Rangers.


The Yale prof also presented data showing that umps favored big-name pitchers and they did so more than giving calls to prominent hitters.

In addition to every ump having a different strike zone and individual umps strike zones changing over time; umps favoring home teams; umps favoring name pitchers--umps are really bad at calling close pitches, possibly an example of "the gambler's fallacy" in action. [flip a coin 5x's in a row and have it come up heads every time, majority of people will favor the next flip being tails, even tho the odds of it being heads or tails haven't changed]

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MOSKOWITZ: "So the thought experiment was as follows — take two pitches that land in exactly the same spot. The umpire should be consistent and call that pitch the same way every time. Because the rules state that each pitch is independent in terms of calling it correctly — it’s either in the strike zone or it’s not."

The first thing the PITCHf/x data shows is that umpires are, generally, quite fallible.

MOSKOWITZ: "On pitches that are just outside of the strike zone – they’re definitely balls, but they’re close – on those pitches, umpires only get those right about 64 percent of the time. So that’s a 36 percent error rate, it’s big."

DUBNER: "Slightly better than flipping a coin, but not much."

MOSKOWITZ: "Not much. Better than you and I could do though, I would say."


So if an ump has called the last close pitch a strike or the last 2 close pitches strikes, the data shows that they're more likely to call the next close pitch in the same spot a ball.

And umps mistakes cluster around high-leverage situations as well. Umps calls are more accurate on the first pitch of an at bat than they are on say a 3-2 pitch with the bases juiced.


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 Post subject: Re: Hitting?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:02 am 
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Small, fast players are a thing of the past.

Team speed? For Christ's sake....


Terry Crowley is fucking lucky he’s in god damn baseball.

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 Post subject: Re: Hitting?
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Get them big cocksuckers that can hit the fuckin' ball out the ballpark and ya can't make any goddam mistakes.


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 Post subject: Re: Hitting?
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Another hitting coach bites the dust. They should start calling them home run coach. Hit the ball in the air!


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Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine and the 1990s Atlanta teams remember and laugh at this strike zone discussion.

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 Post subject: Re: Hitting?
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Another hitting coach bites the dust. They should start calling them home run coach. Hit the ball in the air!


Baseball has changed so much in attitudes.

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