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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/m ... 427714002/

Sounds like the punishment is gonna be huge...fines, suspensions, loss of draft picks, and two weeks locked in a room reading Joe Orr's baseball thoughts.


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GM and manager suspended for a year.


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Lost 1st and 2nd rounders for next two years. The Ryan Pace death penalty.


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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2020/01/10/houston-astros-cheating-sign-stealing-punishment/4427714002/

Sounds like the punishment is gonna be huge...fines, suspensions, loss of draft picks, and two weeks locked in a room reading Joe Orr's baseball thoughts.



That's a brutal punishment especially if you include Flapjacks and good dolphin 's White Sox posts.


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 Post subject: Re: Cheating Astros
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Houston Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch have each been suspended for one year as part of Major League Baseball's ruling in the team's sign-stealing controversy, according to Jeff Passan of ESPN.

The organization has also been fined $5 million and will forfeit its first- and second-round picks in 2020 and 2021, according to Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich of The Athletic.

Former Astros assistant GM Brandon Taubman has also been placed on baseball's ineligible list.

Boston Red Sox manager Alex Cora will face "harsh" punishment as well for his role as a bench coach on the 2017 team, although New York Mets manager Carlos Beltran will not be disciplined, nor will any player on the Astros.

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Did the Red Sox stop cheating last year then ? Houston been in 3 WS . Did they stop cheating after 17 ?

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Punish Houston but slap the Red Sox on the wrist.

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Lost 1st and 2nd rounders for next two years. The Ryan Pace death penalty.


:lol:

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Punish Houston but slap the Red Sox on the wrist.


I don't think the Red Sox thing is come down yet. What was mentioned today was when Cora was with Houston.

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Houston Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch have each been suspended for one year as part of Major League Baseball's ruling in the team's sign-stealing controversy, according to Jeff Passan of ESPN.

The organization has also been fined $5 million and will forfeit its first- and second-round picks in 2020 and 2021, according to Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich of The Athletic.

Former Astros assistant GM Brandon Taubman has also been placed on baseball's ineligible list.

Boston Red Sox manager Alex Cora will face "harsh" punishment as well for his role as a bench coach on the 2017 team, although New York Mets manager Carlos Beltran will not be disciplined, nor will any player on the Astros.


I think that the punishment is about right. It is severe with more coming, namely to Cora. This will also place an asterisk on their pennant and World Series wins. I never liked Joey Cora. He's always been a punk and he needs to be banned for at least a year and probably more also. :oops: :oops:

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Not brutal at all. Manfred confirms they stole signs all through the postseason. They're damn lucky they don't vacate their championship


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Not brutal at all. Manfred confirms the stole signs all through the postseason. They're damn lucky they don't vacate their championship



Vacate lol, that means fuckall.

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Not brutal at all. Manfred confirms the stole signs all through the postseason. They're damn lucky they don't vacate their championship

I don't think this is a big deal at all. Players have been stealing signs for the entire history of the game. If you don't want other teams stealing your signs, get more complex signs.

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Still don't understand, how that Atlanta GM got banned for life, and these dipshits got 1yr...


Coppolella. I guess they realize that the game's present and future is international, and they don't want to take any chances screwing that up??? I don't know.


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I think that the punishment is about right. It is severe with more coming, namely to Cora. This will also place an asterisk on their pennant and World Series wins. I never liked Joey Cora. He's always been a punk and he needs to be banned for a year also.
They all look the same to you, huh?

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Not brutal at all. Manfred confirms the stole signs all through the postseason. They're damn lucky they don't vacate their championship

I don't think this is a big deal at all. Players have been stealing signs for the entire history of the game. If you don't want other teams stealing your signs, get more complex signs.


could slow down the pace of the game a bit to have to change signs after every pitch.


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Punish Houston but slap the Red Sox on the wrist.


I don't think the Red Sox thing is come down yet. What was mentioned today was when Cora was with Houston.


They were "punished" last year IIRC.

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Not brutal at all. Manfred confirms the stole signs all through the postseason. They're damn lucky they don't vacate their championship

I don't think this is a big deal at all. Players have been stealing signs for the entire history of the game. If you don't want other teams stealing your signs, get more complex signs.



I think there's a big difference between a runner at second grabbing signs and an electronic system that utilizes cameras/technology.

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Not brutal at all. Manfred confirms the stole signs all through the postseason. They're damn lucky they don't vacate their championship

I don't think this is a big deal at all. Players have been stealing signs for the entire history of the game. If you don't want other teams stealing your signs, get more complex signs.



I think there's a big difference between a runner at second grabbing signs and an electronic system that utilizes cameras/technology.

Exactly. Its one thing to call a pitch out, or if a runner on second base signals to the batter that the catcher is setting up inside/outside. Using monitors in the dugouts and banging on trashcans is a lot different.

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Houston Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch have each been suspended for one year as part of Major League Baseball's ruling in the team's sign-stealing controversy, according to Jeff Passan of ESPN.

The organization has also been fined $5 million and will forfeit its first- and second-round picks in 2020 and 2021, according to Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich of The Athletic.

Former Astros assistant GM Brandon Taubman has also been placed on baseball's ineligible list.

Boston Red Sox manager Alex Cora will face "harsh" punishment as well for his role as a bench coach on the 2017 team, although New York Mets manager Carlos Beltran will not be disciplined, nor will any player on the Astros.


I think that the punishment is about right. It is severe with more coming, namely to Cora. This will also place an asterisk on their pennant and World Series wins. I never liked Joey Cora. He's always been a punk and he needs to be banned for at least a year and probably more also. :oops: :oops:


What did Joey Cora do?

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What did Joey Cora do?
Waived home MANY runners in October 2005.

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why did it take so long to come out? You'd think as soon as one of the players left the team, it would come out.

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Not brutal at all. Manfred confirms the stole signs all through the postseason. They're damn lucky they don't vacate their championship

I don't think this is a big deal at all. Players have been stealing signs for the entire history of the game. If you don't want other teams stealing your signs, get more complex signs.



I think there's a big difference between a runner at second grabbing signs and an electronic system that utilizes cameras/technology.

After the Red Sox got caught, everyone was warned. Astros did it anyway.


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Manfred basically called the Houston franchise a bunch of fucking assholes.


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Damn.

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Houston Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch have each been suspended for one year as part of Major League Baseball's ruling in the team's sign-stealing controversy, according to Jeff Passan of ESPN.

The organization has also been fined $5 million and will forfeit its first- and second-round picks in 2020 and 2021, according to Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich of The Athletic.

Former Astros assistant GM Brandon Taubman has also been placed on baseball's ineligible list.

Boston Red Sox manager Alex Cora will face "harsh" punishment as well for his role as a bench coach on the 2017 team, although New York Mets manager Carlos Beltran will not be disciplined, nor will any player on the Astros.


I think that the punishment is about right. It is severe with more coming, namely to Cora. This will also place an asterisk on their pennant and World Series wins. I never liked Joey Cora. He's always been a punk and he needs to be banned for at least a year and probably more also. :oops: :oops:


What did Joey Cora do?

He's got eyes like a lemur ... he could be up to any number of things.

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Not brutal at all. Manfred confirms the stole signs all through the postseason. They're damn lucky they don't vacate their championship

I don't think this is a big deal at all. Players have been stealing signs for the entire history of the game. If you don't want other teams stealing your signs, get more complex signs.


That is NOT the issue. Using technology is the issue and to some extent baseball itself is to blame partially for it failure to provide safeguards to prevent this shit from being able to be used to send information to the players as to what pitch is coming which of course is a HUGE ADVANTAGE to a player. This kind of stuff has been going on in baseball for decades with teams putting people in scoreboards to spy on the catchers sign and relay the sign to the hitters as well as other stuff.

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