Chicago Fanatics Message Board
http://chicagofanatics.com/

Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
http://chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=92&t=42927		 Page 3 of 3
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
Rafeal Palmiero once one a gold glove as a firstbaseman in a season where he was a DH in something like 120 games.
Author:  lipidquadcab [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Rafeal Palmiero once one a gold glove as a firstbaseman in a season where he was a DH in something like 120 games.


Of course he did...he had the likes of Big Frank for competition... :wink:
Author:  good dolphin [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
Hatchetman wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
You will not like it but at the very least Sammy was better than Sandberg.


oh for god's sake...


I love how north side warm and fuzzy fans turned on their hero so quickly.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
good dolphin wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
You will not like it but at the very least Sammy was better than Sandberg.


oh for god's sake...


I love how north side warm and fuzzy fans turned on their hero so quickly.

Well I mean if the guy was clearly cheating...


Sosa's Wins above replacement: 59.5

That list is curious

Pujols is 2 spots ahead of Frank
Chipper Jones is ahead of both of them.


So basically these guys are all more valuable than Frank.

Rank Player Baseball Reference Wins Above Replacement First Year Last Year Hall of Fame Hall of Merit
1 Babe Ruth B-Ref Page 172.0 1914 1935 HOF HOM
2 Barry Bonds B-Ref Page 171.4 1986 2007
3 Ty Cobb B-Ref Page 159.3 1905 1928 HOF HOM
4 Willie Mays B-Ref Page 154.7 1951 1973 HOF HOM
5 Hank Aaron B-Ref Page 141.5 1954 1976 HOF HOM
6 Honus Wagner B-Ref Page 134.7 1897 1917 HOF HOM
7 Tris Speaker B-Ref Page 132.8 1907 1928 HOF HOM
8 Stan Musial B-Ref Page 127.9 1941 1963 HOF HOM
9 Rogers Hornsby B-Ref Page 127.7 1915 1937 HOF HOM
10 Eddie Collins B-Ref Page 126.7 1906 1930 HOF HOM
11 Ted Williams B-Ref Page 125.0 1939 1960 HOF HOM
12 Mickey Mantle B-Ref Page 120.2 1951 1968 HOF HOM
13 Lou Gehrig B-Ref Page 118.3 1923 1939 HOF HOM
14 Rickey Henderson B-Ref Page 113.1 1979 2003 HOF HOM
15 Mel Ott B-Ref Page 109.2 1926 1947 HOF HOM
16 Mike Schmidt B-Ref Page 108.1 1972 1989 HOF HOM
17 Frank Robinson B-Ref Page 107.1 1956 1976 HOF HOM
18 Nap Lajoie B-Ref Page 104.2 1896 1916 HOF HOM
19 Joe Morgan B-Ref Page 103.5 1963 1984 HOF HOM
20 Cap Anson B-Ref Page 99.2 1871 1897 HOF HOM
21 Alex Rodriguez B-Ref Page 99.1 1994 2009
22 Eddie Mathews B-Ref Page 98.2 1952 1968 HOF HOM
23 Jimmie Foxx B-Ref Page 94.0 1925 1945 HOF HOM
24 Al Kaline B-Ref Page 90.8 1953 1974 HOF HOM
25 George Davis B-Ref Page 90.8 1890 1909 HOF HOM
26 Cal Ripken B-Ref Page 89.8 1981 2001 HOF HOM
27 Wade Boggs B-Ref Page 89.0 1982 1999 HOF HOM
28 Carl Yastrzemski(STRETCH) B-Ref Page 88.5 1961 1983 HOF HOM
29 Roger Connor B-Ref Page 87.1 1880 1897 HOF HOM
30 George Brett B-Ref Page 84.9 1973 1993 HOF HOM
31 Dan Brouthers B-Ref Page 83.7 1879 1904 HOF HOM
32 Roberto Clemente B-Ref Page 83.6 1955 1972 HOF HOM
33 Joe DiMaggio B-Ref Page 83.4 1936 1951 HOF HOM
34 Charlie Gehringer B-Ref Page 80.9 1924 1942 HOF HOM
35 Jeff Bagwell B-Ref Page 79.9 1991 2005
36 Rod Carew B-Ref Page 79.3 1967 1985 HOF HOM
37 Ken Griffey B-Ref Page 79.2 1989 2009
38 Robin Yount B-Ref Page 76.8 1974 1993 HOF HOM
39 Chipper Jones B-Ref Page 76.7 1993 2009
40 Albert Pujols B-Ref Page 76.5 2001 2009
41 Sam Crawford B-Ref Page 76.3 1899 1917 HOF HOM
42 Bill Dahlen B-Ref Page 75.9 1891 1911
Author:  good dolphin [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
rogers park bryan wrote:
[oh for god's sake...


I love how north side warm and fuzzy fans turned on their hero so quickly.[/quote]
Well I mean if the guy was clearly cheating...

[/quote]

If he was clearly cheating, then it was clear he was cheating during the days baby bear fans were slurping up his schtick.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
I never wrote "for Gods sake"


Yeah they ate it up. He duped Cubbie Nation (grandmas, fratboys, and business men taking siestas)

He also kinda said fuck you on his way out and was a jerk the last few years.


Its not surprising that they turned.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
Darkside wrote:
Running Speed:
Arm Strength:
Hitting for Average:
Hitting for Power:
Fielding:

For Sandberg, which of these can you take an 8-10 year strech of his career and say that he put up numbers that were among the very best in the history of the game at any position? Because you can do just that for 2 of those when it comes to Frank Thomas.
Author:  Darkside [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Running Speed:
Arm Strength:
Hitting for Average:
Hitting for Power:
Fielding:

For Sandberg, which of these can you take an 8-10 year strech of his career and say that he put up numbers that were among the very best in the history of the game at any position? Because you can do just that for 2 of those when it comes to Frank Thomas.

Well he was always gonna hit for average. Generally between 290 and 310, averaging something like 175 or so hits a year. Also, he was generally tops in fielding for that time frame. He had some speed too. Several +30 SB seasons, even one with 54. So I'll take Fielding and Hitting for average with a Speed kicker.
Author:  Scorehead [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Hitter: Frank Thomas.
Baseball Player: Ryne Sandberg.
So you are telling me that if you had to pick between Ryne Sandberg and Frank Thomas in their prime that you'd pick Sandberg?


Sandberg is my favorite Baseball player of all time. Yea I know he's not "the" greatest of all time, but he's my favorite & as a Cubs fan, yea I'd pick Sandberg over Frank. I know Frank was great but I would rather have Ryno on my team that the biggest douchebag asshole athlete that Chicago has ever seen, Frank Thomas.
Author:  Scorehead [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
Darkside wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
all this shit has already been statistically studied, quantified and evaluated by statisticians. it's fairly obvious to all but the mentally retarded that thomas is more valuable.


Nice attitude dick.
If statistics were the truth of worth, then the Cubs would have won the world series by now. Since games are actually played on a field, statistics do no fully define a players worth, particularly when said statistics only encompass 50% of the game. Do you know what the VORP is or do you just bleat "Statistics!!!" when it's convenient?


It's a good thing Stat Boy doesn't know Baseball...
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
Scorehead wrote:
I would rather have Ryno on my team that the biggest douchebag asshole athlete that Chicago has ever seen, Frank Thomas.

You don't want the superior hitter because he wasn't a nice guy? Ryno was my favorite player growing up as well. I played 2nd base in little league and thought he was god's gift to baseball when I was in grade shool. Being an asshole didn't work out for Reggie Jackson or Pete Rose either I guess. Except, of course, they won multiple World Series.

Frank Thomas > Ryne Sandberg 10 times out of ten.
Next.
Author:  RFDC [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
Scorehead wrote:
the biggest douchebag asshole athlete that Chicago has ever seen, Frank Thomas.


I did not think you resorted to calling names?
Author:  spanky [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
Scorehead wrote:
the biggest douchebag asshole athlete that Chicago has ever seen, Frank Thomas.

Not a big fan of the big hurt, but I'm not sure he's even in the team picture on this one.
Author:  HOVA [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
Frank Coztansa wrote:
If you want to win you would take Frank Thomas 100% of the time.


End of stupid debate. BTW didn't Frank play first base during his prime?
Author:  HOVA [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
Darkside wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Who's a better BASEBALL player? I can't see any answer other than Sandberg. Who's a better HITTER is no doubt Thomas.
I'll take this as an answer that if you could only have one of the two that you'd rather have Sandberg over Thomas.

Do you also think Gordon Beckham is a better BASEBALL player than Albert Pujols?


Dude, if I'm in the National League, yeah, I take Ryno.
If I'm in the American League, and don't need an infielder, I take Thomas.
This is not an apples to apples argument.
No, I think Bacon is overrated anyhow. Albert also plays his position pretty well. And will most likely for years. I don't think Frank would have had that in him.

OK... 5 tools, tell me who's best in these between Thomas and Sandberg. Fill in the blanks please.

Running Speed:
Arm Strength:
Hitting for Average:
Hitting for Power:
Fielding:


Frank has the edge in everything but fielding and speed.
Author:  RFDC [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
I love Ryno, he was one of my favorite players as a kid. But this is not even an debate. Greatest baseball players I have personally seen in Chicago:

1a. Frank Thomas
1b. Greg Maddux

2. Ryno
Author:  W_Z [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
RFDC wrote:
I love Ryno, he was one of my favorite players as a kid. But this is not even an debate. Greatest baseball players I have personally seen in Chicago:

1a. Frank Thomas
1b. Greg Maddux
1c. Randall Simon

2. Ryno


fixed!
Author:  HOVA [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Sandberg is my favorite player of all time. Given a choice in their primes, I'd pick Thomas.

Thomas was one of the best right-handed hitters of all time for a decade. Those numbers are epic and not "artificially induced". His later years diluted his career statistics. But, I'd take those 10 years versus just about anybody elses.


I'm one of the few guys here that love both teams and I grew up watching both. I've never seen a right handed hitter hit the ball like he did his first 11 years. I love Ryno but there is no way I take him over Frank unless I have a team full of Bonds and Pujols at every other position but 2nd base. Even then I would have to think hard about it.
Author:  Irish Boy [ Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
Scorehead wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
all this shit has already been statistically studied, quantified and evaluated by statisticians. it's fairly obvious to all but the mentally retarded that thomas is more valuable.


Nice attitude dick.
If statistics were the truth of worth, then the Cubs would have won the world series by now. Since games are actually played on a field, statistics do no fully define a players worth, particularly when said statistics only encompass 50% of the game. Do you know what the VORP is or do you just bleat "Statistics!!!" when it's convenient?


It's a good thing Stat Boy doesn't know Baseball...

Why? So that I don't have another sport to beat the nonsense out of you on a near-daily basis?
Author:  suckers playground [ Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ryno vs. The Big Hurt
:lol:
Page 3 of 3 All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
https://www.phpbb.com/