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Based on how the MLB was right before Ichiro came to the US, I assume he'd have even more hits playing here than he did in Japan.

No, Ichiro isn't the MLB hits leader. But when it comes to getting hits, he may be the greatest of all time.

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Who is the best of all time when it comes to taking hits?

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Best hitter of a generation but no, this doesn't count. Rose is right and people should stop mentioning this as if it were a legit thing.


I think it's fair to mention it. Ichiro dominated MLB on Day1.

You can mention it in the context of "gee I wonder", but to equate the two is patently false and completely nonsensical.

There is no other logical, not to mention objective, side to this.


That's what I did. Everyone else appears to be saying NO WAY.

The best part about the book You Gotta Have Wa was when the author described how, in the showers, the Japanese players used to grab the penis of some hulking American good ol' boy who played over there and say, "Look! It's so big!" Not sure I'd call Rose "hulking," but I'd bet Rose's penis is larger than Ichiro's.

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Who is the best of all time when it comes to taking hits?

Chuck Finley
Nate Newton
AJ

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Best hitter of a generation but no, this doesn't count. Rose is right and people should stop mentioning this as if it were a legit thing.


I think it's fair to mention it. Ichiro dominated MLB on Day1.

You can mention it in the context of "gee I wonder", but to equate the two is patently false and completely nonsensical.

There is no other logical, not to mention objective, side to this.


That's what I did. Everyone else appears to be saying NO WAY.

The best part about the book You Gotta Have Wa was when the author described how, in the showers, the Japanese players used to grab the penis of some hulking American good ol' boy who played over there and say, "Look! It's so big!" Not sure I'd call Rose "hulking," but I'd bet Rose's penis is larger than Ichiro's.


I can't imagine their reaction to Tuffy Rhodes.

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Who is the best of all time when it comes to taking hits?

Chuck Finley
Nate Newton
AJ

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Oh, I'm sorry I thought you said who is th best at taking bumps.

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Who is the best of all time when it comes to taking hits?

Geovany Soto
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has to be Doc Ellis

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I agree Ichiro likely would have tied Rose had he played a full MLB career. He didn't Conversation over.


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Who even cares? Hits don't matter anymore. On-base percentage does. #2016

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Who even cares? Hits don't matter anymore. On-base percentage does. #2016
Ichiro was lucky. Only home runs and strikeouts matter.

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Who even cares? Hits don't matter anymore. On-base percentage does. #2016
Ichiro was lucky. Only home runs and strikeouts matter.


Amen, brother!

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Lots of guys that can't make a MLB roster go to Japan and have great success. Matt Murton set the single season hit record in Japan. The talent level is not as high. The hits Ichiro had in Japan should count like the hits guys get in the minor leagues here should count....not at all.

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Lots of guys that can't make a MLB roster go to Japan and have great success. Matt Murton set the single season hit record in Japan. The talent level is not as high. The hits Ichiro had in Japan should count like the hits guys get in the minor leagues here should count....not at all.


He had more success here.

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Nas wrote:
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Lots of guys that can't make a MLB roster go to Japan and have great success. Matt Murton set the single season hit record in Japan. The talent level is not as high. The hits Ichiro had in Japan should count like the hits guys get in the minor leagues here should count....not at all.


He had more success here.


Doesn't matter. Stats in what amounts to the minor leagues doesn't count.

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Is there any truth to his Seattle teammates being pissed at him for fouling off clear balls in order to elongate the AB and get a pitch to hit?

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Is there any truth to his Seattle teammates being pissed at him for fouling off clear balls in order to elongate the AB and get a pitch to hit?

If that's the case, fuck them.

They're just pissed cause they weren't capable of doing the same.

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Is there any truth to his Seattle teammates being pissed at him for fouling off clear balls in order to elongate the AB and get a pitch to hit?


I don't doubt it. This has been the biggest change in the game. The worship of the walk. Luke Appling was known for fouling off balls until he got the pitch he wanted to hit and it was considered one of his Hall of Fame credentials. Seventy years later the same thing is considered "bad baseball".

If you watched the hitter's round table hosted by Costas on MLB, Michael Young said that when he first came up the most embarrassing thing that could happen in an at-bat was striking out. When he was finishing his career the most embarrassing thing was to make an out on the first pitch.

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Ichiro's baseball achievements are those of a fringe HOF'er at best. He's essentially Lou Brock, and the last 30% of his career PA's have been barely replacement-level.


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Ichiro's baseball achievements are those of a fringe HOF'er at best. He's essentially Lou Brock, and the last 30% of his career PA's have been barely replacement-level.



Only because of the fetishization of the walk. Are you saying Brock isn't a deserving Hall of Famer? Maybe we should replace him with Eddie Yost.

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Ichiro's baseball achievements are those of a fringe HOF'er at best. He's essentially Lou Brock, and the last 30% of his career PA's have been barely replacement-level.



Only because of the fetishization of the walk. Are you saying Brock isn't a deserving Hall of Famer? Maybe we should replace him with Eddie Yost.


I do not have a strong opinion but I hear this a lot lately. Especially by the Bernsie types.

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Ichiro's baseball achievements are those of a fringe HOF'er at best. He's essentially Lou Brock, and the last 30% of his career PA's have been barely replacement-level.



Only because of the fetishization of the walk.


No, also because he's been really, really bad for like 30% of his MLB career.

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He doesn't make it in my baseball world. Hall of Very Good For a Long While, absolutely. But not a career that I think should be heralded as one of the greatest ever. A 75% base stealer with slightly above-average on-base abilities but average-at-best power from a corner OF doesn't really rev my engine.


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