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Let's go back to alternating leagues, but let's also reduce interleague play to six games against one team (the obvious one, though it admittedly breaks down when you get down to Padres-Mariners and Phillies-Blue Jays). Games against American League teams that aren't the White Sox are inherently low-stakes, so why bother? It's not about seeing all 29 teams every year. That doesn't happen. It's not even a divisional rotation anymore. It's just an arbitrary handful of teams we're not competing for playoff spots with.

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Doesn't this benefit both league's?

The AS game rule sucked, and the 10 day DL rule is a nice improvement as well. I also heard they are building in 4 more off days during the season, and there will be MANY more day games on getaway days (Fuck you, Baltimore) which is good for everyone.

I would like to see them go to a 27 man roster, with only 25 active for each game. Obviously your two inactives would be starting pitchers.


If the Cubs and Red Sox had made the World Series this season and you look at the records of the teams they played, do you really think the Cubs deserve the home field based on a "better" record? This only makes sense if everyone plays the same schedule. It would have been better to simply return to alternating years or to award home field to the league that had the better record in interleague play. For the next few seasons at least it will be very difficult for the AL team to have the home field advantage.


What sports league plays the same schedule? It's never fair.


There are historic differences between baseball and the other leagues. I realize the younger fans tend not to recognize them and granted, they are slowly becoming erased.

The NL and AL are separate entities that each send a champion to play in the World Series. That is a significant difference relative to the NFL and the NBA where there is no really distinction between conferences and they exist for nothing more than basic structural purposes. Additionally, in the NFL the championship is played at a neutral site.

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Alternating league's would be fine too. But at least they took care of the AS Game silliness.

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 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
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The NL and AL are separate entities that each send a champion to play in the World Series. That is a significant difference relative to the NFL and the NBA where there is no really distinction between conferences and they exist for nothing more than basic structural purposes. Additionally, in the NFL the championship is played at a neutral site.

Easy Solution,, Play the World series IN EVGAS!!! Fabuous new stadium, Neutral Site, no weather concerns with DOME, great travel Destination in Oct/Nov! only problem is Jerry might like it so much he'll move there FULL TIME?

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Alternating league's would be fine too. But at least they took care of the AS Game silliness.



I don't really think that using the All-Star game was sillier than handing the currently top heavy NL this advantage. The entire starting NL team last year was Cubs. They really didn't have a beef that they did not get the advantage.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
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Doesn't this benefit both league's?

The AS game rule sucked, and the 10 day DL rule is a nice improvement as well. I also heard they are building in 4 more off days during the season, and there will be MANY more day games on getaway days (Fuck you, Baltimore) which is good for everyone.

I would like to see them go to a 27 man roster, with only 25 active for each game. Obviously your two inactives would be starting pitchers.


If the Cubs and Red Sox had made the World Series this season and you look at the records of the teams they played, do you really think the Cubs deserve the home field based on a "better" record? This only makes sense if everyone plays the same schedule. It would have been better to simply return to alternating years or to award home field to the league that had the better record in interleague play. For the next few seasons at least it will be very difficult for the AL team to have the home field advantage.


What sports league plays the same schedule? It's never fair.


There are historic differences between baseball and the other leagues. I realize the younger fans tend not to recognize them and granted, they are slowly becoming erased.

The NL and AL are separate entities that each send a champion to play in the World Series. That is a significant difference relative to the NFL and the NBA where there is no really distinction between conferences and they exist for nothing more than basic structural purposes. Additionally, in the NFL the championship is played at a neutral site.


Since interleague play began those differences left. Unless you are alternating annually there can't be a system that is fair.

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 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
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Curious Hair wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The NL and AL are separate entities that each send a champion to play in the World Series. That is a significant difference relative to the NFL and the NBA where there is no really distinction between conferences and they exist for nothing more than basic structural purposes. Additionally, in the NFL the championship is played at a neutral site.

Easy Solution,, Play the World series IN EVGAS!!! Fabuous new stadium, Neutral Site, no weather concerns with DOME, great travel Destination in Oct/Nov! only problem is Jerry might like it so much he'll move there FULL TIME?


Now THIS is how you do a parity!!! Are you paying atention, Frank???


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Alternating league's would be fine too. But at least they took care of the AS Game silliness.



I don't really think that using the All-Star game was sillier than handing the currently top heavy NL this advantage. The entire starting NL team last year was Cubs. They really didn't have a beef that they did not get the advantage.
You don't think that determining home field in the most important series of the baseball season by using an exhibition game, where one All Star from every team MUST be present regardless of if he deserves it or not, is silly?

I have heard people say that the Wild Card teams should be put at a further disadvantage, which this will likely do as a Wild Card team to make the World Series will probably have a lesser record if they are facing a division winner.

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 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Alternating league's would be fine too. But at least they took care of the AS Game silliness.



I don't really think that using the All-Star game was sillier than handing the currently top heavy NL this advantage. The entire starting NL team last year was Cubs. They really didn't have a beef that they did not get the advantage.
You don't think that determining home field in the most important series of the baseball season by using an exhibition game, where one All Star from every team MUST be present regardless of if he deserves it or not, is silly?

I have heard people say that the Wild Card teams should be put at a further disadvantage, which this will likely do as a Wild Card team to make the World Series will probably have a lesser record if they are facing a division winner.


Really, I don't consider it a big issue at all. Home field advantage in baseball is minimal at best. The way to disadvantage Wild Cards is to force them to use their best pitchers.

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 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
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Any other details in this agreement that are earth shattering? Other than the argument over the All Star game and World Series?

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 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
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The DL changed from 15 days to 10 is a pretty big deal. Now guys can go on the DL for a nagging injury and not miss half a month. It will also allow teams to make a quick decision and not play a man down for 2-3 days waiting to see if he needs to go on the DL.


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DL to 10 days minimum, 4 more off days built into the schedule, more day games on getaway days.

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Just read about them changing qualifying offer rules quite a bit.

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It won't take me effect until next off season. Good


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Alternating league's would be fine too. But at least they took care of the AS Game silliness.



I don't really think that using the All-Star game was sillier than handing the currently top heavy NL this advantage. The entire starting NL team last year was Cubs. They really didn't have a beef that they did not get the advantage.
You don't think that determining home field in the most important series of the baseball season by using an exhibition game, where one All Star from every team MUST be present regardless of if he deserves it or not, is silly?

I have heard people say that the Wild Card teams should be put at a further disadvantage, which this will likely do as a Wild Card team to make the World Series will probably have a lesser record if they are facing a division winner.


Really, I don't consider it a big issue at all. Home field advantage in baseball is minimal at best. The way to disadvantage Wild Cards is to force them to use their best pitchers.

Home field advantage in the WS is huge.

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Oakland A's are being phased out of revenue sharing, so I doubt they are still in Oakland in 5 years.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The NL and AL are separate entities that each send a champion to play in the World Series. That is a significant difference relative to the NFL and the NBA where there is no really distinction between conferences and they exist for nothing more than basic structural purposes. Additionally, in the NFL the championship is played at a neutral site.

Easy Solution,, Play the World series IN EVGAS!!! Fabuous new stadium, Neutral Site, no weather concerns with DOME, great travel Destination in Oct/Nov! only problem is Jerry might like it so much he'll move there FULL TIME?

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Darkside wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Alternating league's would be fine too. But at least they took care of the AS Game silliness.



I don't really think that using the All-Star game was sillier than handing the currently top heavy NL this advantage. The entire starting NL team last year was Cubs. They really didn't have a beef that they did not get the advantage.
You don't think that determining home field in the most important series of the baseball season by using an exhibition game, where one All Star from every team MUST be present regardless of if he deserves it or not, is silly?

I have heard people say that the Wild Card teams should be put at a further disadvantage, which this will likely do as a Wild Card team to make the World Series will probably have a lesser record if they are facing a division winner.


Really, I don't consider it a big issue at all. Home field advantage in baseball is minimal at best. The way to disadvantage Wild Cards is to force them to use their best pitchers.

Home field advantage in the WS is huge.


Based on what? Must be your emotions because it's clearly not on numbers.

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New QO rules may push Cubs to trade Arrieta this offseason, if they do not plan to re-sign. They will get a shittier pick now, than they would have under the current QO system.


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Lets not pretend for a second that the best record is any less slanted for NL teams who get to beat up on the trash that makes up more than half their league than the ASG was for the AL teams.


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New QO rules may push Cubs to trade Arrieta this offseason, if they do not plan to re-sign. They will get a shittier pick now, than they would have under the current QO system.


Next off season they will get a shittier pick.

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Teams are also going to be able to trade draft picks, which is good.

No international draft, which is bad.

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Teams are also going to be able to trade draft picks, which is good.

No international draft, which is bad.


I have not seen that yet.

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Mully & Hanley were talking about it this morning. I am not sure of all the details or if that happens next year or later, but they said that is part of the new CBA.

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Home field advantage in the WS is huge.

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Home field in a WS scenario... you get the opposing manager out of his comfort zone, the AL team loses a bigger bat than the pitcher provides, of course last raps, and you can't tell me the crowd doesn't charge up a team (or kill it).
Now... home field advantages are just that... advantages. Not predictors of play or quality of play or predictors of winning.
I'm not sure how you can't think that these things don't make any difference.
Of course, being a sample size guy, there's only up to 7 games that can be included in any given matchups and therefore hard to qualify.

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Home field in a WS scenario... you get the opposing manager out of his comfort zone, the AL team loses a bigger bat than the pitcher provides, of course last raps, and you can't tell me the crowd doesn't charge up a team (or kill it).
Now... home field advantages are just that... advantages. Not predictors of play or quality of play or predictors of winning.
I'm not sure how you can't think that these things don't make any difference.
Of course, being a sample size guy, there's only up to 7 games that can be included in any given matchups and therefore hard to qualify.


Because the actual numbers suggest it's inconsequential.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/home-field ... ostseason/

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Home field in a WS scenario... you get the opposing manager out of his comfort zone, the AL team loses a bigger bat than the pitcher provides, of course last raps, and you can't tell me the crowd doesn't charge up a team (or kill it).
Now... home field advantages are just that... advantages. Not predictors of play or quality of play or predictors of winning.
I'm not sure how you can't think that these things don't make any difference.
Of course, being a sample size guy, there's only up to 7 games that can be included in any given matchups and therefore hard to qualify.


Because the actual numbers suggest it's inconsequential.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/home-field ... ostseason/



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