It is currently Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:24 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 59 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:51 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72289
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Is this gonna happen?

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:55 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 88937
Location: To the left of my post
FavreFan wrote:
Is this gonna happen?

Hopefully.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:55 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:54 am
Posts: 22706
pizza_Place: A few...
#2016


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:57 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 54230
Location: Pearl Harbor, Waukesha, and other things that make no sense
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
Does MLB retain the services of Bob Batterman? If so, then yes: he's been behind the NBA lockout, the NFL lockout, the NFL ref lockout, and the last two NHL lockouts.

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:00 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:15 pm
Posts: 16923
I don't think there will be a lockout. They may not reach an agreement by Thursday but they will just extend the current agreement. I hope.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:05 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm
Posts: 20537
pizza_Place: Joes Pizza
A near 10 billion dollar business threatening a lockout over not being to underpay poor Latin teenagers.

Baseball definitely is America's pastime :lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:09 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 02, 2011 4:29 pm
Posts: 39693
Location: Everywhere
pizza_Place: giordanos
Not sure if they would lock out. But they should reform a few things.

_________________
Brick wrote:
Biden is doing a GOOD job.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:17 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:29 am
Posts: 64521
Location: Darkside Estates
pizza_Place: A cat got an online degree.
The last stoppage cost them a shit load of fans and it took a really long time to recover... they'd be stupid to allow this to happen.

_________________
"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014
bigfan wrote:
Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:18 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 54230
Location: Pearl Harbor, Waukesha, and other things that make no sense
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
MLB is indeed a Proskauer Rose client. There's gonna be a lockout. Say what you will about Bud Selig, but he learned the primacy of labor peace.

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:25 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 54230
Location: Pearl Harbor, Waukesha, and other things that make no sense
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
Darkside wrote:
The last stoppage cost them a shit load of fans and it took a really long time to recover... they'd be stupid to allow this to happen.

The 2011 NBA and 2012 NHL lockouts saw eventual rebounds in support, unprecedented television contracts, and collective bargaining agreements that gave increased percentages of revenues to ownership (the NBA clawed back 6%, the NHL 7%). The owners who suffered the '94 strike are almost all cashed out or dead: August Busch, Steinbrenner, the Trib, Marge Schott, Charlie Jacobs, Ted Turner, Carl Pohlad, the Expos' consortium. But look who's still here: Jerry Reinsdorf, arguably the architect of the moves that pushed the union to strike.

Image

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 02, 2011 4:29 pm
Posts: 39693
Location: Everywhere
pizza_Place: giordanos
Long term MLB would be better off with some cap system and uniform entry rules for players.

_________________
Brick wrote:
Biden is doing a GOOD job.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:56 am
Posts: 32235
Location: A sterile, homogeneous suburb
pizza_Place: Pizza Cucina
pittmike wrote:
Long term MLB would be better off with some cap system and uniform entry rules for players.


I'm sorry your (team)'s poor.

_________________
Curious Hair wrote:
I'm a big dumb shitlib baby


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:58 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:23 pm
Posts: 16779
pizza_Place: Little Caesar's
Peoria Matt wrote:
#2016

Don't need another season. #GrandFinale


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:22 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 54230
Location: Pearl Harbor, Waukesha, and other things that make no sense
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
pittmike wrote:
Long term MLB would be better off with some cap system and uniform entry rules for players.

Yeah, John Henry and the Steinbrenners would be better off, because the Red Sox and Yankees would continue to bring in millions of dollars every year but they wouldn't be compelled to spend so much of it. Thirty Jeffrey Lorias!

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:25 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72289
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Curious Hair wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Long term MLB would be better off with some cap system and uniform entry rules for players.

Yeah, John Henry and the Steinbrenners would be better off, because the Red Sox and Yankees would continue to bring in millions of dollars every year but they wouldn't be compelled to spend so much of it. Thirty Jeffrey Lorias!

Salary caps usually have floors as well, thus eliminating any potential Lorias.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:53 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 54230
Location: Pearl Harbor, Waukesha, and other things that make no sense
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
It's not the absolute bare-bones spending I had in mind in citing Loria so much as payrolls that are still low enough to be covered by central revenue alone, which I believe the Marlins have done for several years even after getting an official scolding from the commissioner in 2010.

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:34 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:15 pm
Posts: 16923
The luxury tax is what's holding everything up. They're having difficulty agreeing on the amount, how it should be calculated and the penalties for going over. Having a new commissioner and union chief isn't making things any easier. This damn thing may not get done.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:24 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27584
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
There should only be 4 or 5 owners concerned about the luxury tax, wouldn't they be outnumbered 25-5 ?

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:34 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:15 pm
Posts: 16923
The players don't want a luxury tax if it acts as a salary cap and holds down salaries.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:36 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 28, 2009 11:10 am
Posts: 42094
Location: Rock Ridge (splendid!)
pizza_Place: Charlie Fox's / Paisano's
There isn't the slightest chance in hell of there being a lockout, work stoppage, strike, or any other bullshit like that.

_________________
Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:56 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:32 pm
Posts: 13865
Location: France
pizza_Place: Baranabyis
Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan)
9 mins ago - View on Twitter
Source: MLB and the MLBPA have agreed on a new collective-bargaining agreement. Labor peace in baseball will continue.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 88937
Location: To the left of my post
That sucks.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:36 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:05 pm
Posts: 68609
pizza_Place: Lina's Pizza
https://apnews.com/331d6e369c2147709dde ... ries-start

APNewsBreak: All-Star Game no longer determines Series start

By RONALD BLUM
Today
NEW YORK (AP) — The league that wins baseball's All-Star Game no longer will get home-field advantage in the World Series, which instead will go to the pennant winner with the better regular-season record.

The change was included in Major League Baseball's tentative new collective bargaining agreement and disclosed early Thursday to The Associated Press by a person familiar with the agreement. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because details of the deal, reached Wednesday evening in Irving, Texas, had not been announced.

In addition, players and management agreed the minimum stay on the disabled list will be reduced from 15 days to 10.


Home-field advantage in the World Series generally rotated between the leagues through 2002. Baseball, led by then-Commissioner Bud Selig, and Fox television promoted the "This Time It Counts" innovation after the 2002 All-Star Game in Milwaukee ended in a 7-7, 11-inning tie when both teams ran out of pitchers. Selig was booed in his own Milwaukee backyard.

"This energizes it. This gives them something to really play for," Selig said after owners approved the change by a 30-0 vote in January 2003. "People pay a lot of money to see that game. They deserve to see the same intensity they see all year long. Television people pay a lot of money for the game. It was not and should not be a meaningless exhibition game."

What began as a two-year experiment was extended. The American League won 11 of 14 All-Star Games played under the rule, and the AL representative won eight World Series in those years.

"It will put back a little of the sizzle," San Francisco Giants executive Larry Baer said in 2003.

As part of the changes for next year, players in the All-Star Game will have the incentive to play for a pool of money.

The DL change will allow teams to make quicker decisions on whether to bring up a roster replacement rather than wait to see whether the injured player would be ready to return to action in less than two weeks.


An international play plan is part of the new agreement that includes a payment schedule for potential games in Asia, Mexico, Latin America and Britain, plus U.S.-based special events such as this year's July 3 game between Atlanta and Miami in a specially built ballpark on a military base in Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

_________________
The Hawk wrote:
There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:59 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 76963
Location: Chicago Heights
pizza_Place: Aurelio's
Terry's Peeps wrote:
https://apnews.com/331d6e369c2147709dde04ae7f0507b1/APNewsBreak:-All-Star-Game-no-longer-determines-Series-start

APNewsBreak: All-Star Game no longer determines Series start

By RONALD BLUM
Today
NEW YORK (AP) — The league that wins baseball's All-Star Game no longer will get home-field advantage in the World Series, which instead will go to the pennant winner with the better regular-season record.

The change was included in Major League Baseball's tentative new collective bargaining agreement and disclosed early Thursday to The Associated Press by a person familiar with the agreement. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because details of the deal, reached Wednesday evening in Irving, Texas, had not been announced.

In addition, players and management agreed the minimum stay on the disabled list will be reduced from 15 days to 10.


Home-field advantage in the World Series generally rotated between the leagues through 2002. Baseball, led by then-Commissioner Bud Selig, and Fox television promoted the "This Time It Counts" innovation after the 2002 All-Star Game in Milwaukee ended in a 7-7, 11-inning tie when both teams ran out of pitchers. Selig was booed in his own Milwaukee backyard.

"This energizes it. This gives them something to really play for," Selig said after owners approved the change by a 30-0 vote in January 2003. "People pay a lot of money to see that game. They deserve to see the same intensity they see all year long. Television people pay a lot of money for the game. It was not and should not be a meaningless exhibition game."

What began as a two-year experiment was extended. The American League won 11 of 14 All-Star Games played under the rule, and the AL representative won eight World Series in those years.

"It will put back a little of the sizzle," San Francisco Giants executive Larry Baer said in 2003.

As part of the changes for next year, players in the All-Star Game will have the incentive to play for a pool of money.

The DL change will allow teams to make quicker decisions on whether to bring up a roster replacement rather than wait to see whether the injured player would be ready to return to action in less than two weeks.


An international play plan is part of the new agreement that includes a payment schedule for potential games in Asia, Mexico, Latin America and Britain, plus U.S.-based special events such as this year's July 3 game between Atlanta and Miami in a specially built ballpark on a military base in Fort Bragg, North Carolina.


Advantage to the National League right now.

_________________
His mind is not for rent to any God or government.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:16 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 pm
Posts: 101800
pizza_Place: Vito & Nick's
Doesn't this benefit both league's?

The AS game rule sucked, and the 10 day DL rule is a nice improvement as well. I also heard they are building in 4 more off days during the season, and there will be MANY more day games on getaway days (Fuck you, Baltimore) which is good for everyone.

I would like to see them go to a 27 man roster, with only 25 active for each game. Obviously your two inactives would be starting pitchers.

_________________
ltg wrote:
[Fields will] be the starting QB on an NFL roster at the start of next season. Book It!
Caller Bob wrote:
There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:25 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 76963
Location: Chicago Heights
pizza_Place: Aurelio's
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Doesn't this benefit both league's?

The AS game rule sucked, and the 10 day DL rule is a nice improvement as well. I also heard they are building in 4 more off days during the season, and there will be MANY more day games on getaway days (Fuck you, Baltimore) which is good for everyone.

I would like to see them go to a 27 man roster, with only 25 active for each game. Obviously your two inactives would be starting pitchers.


If the Cubs and Red Sox had made the World Series this season and you look at the records of the teams they played, do you really think the Cubs deserve the home field based on a "better" record? This only makes sense if everyone plays the same schedule. It would have been better to simply return to alternating years or to award home field to the league that had the better record in interleague play. For the next few seasons at least it will be very difficult for the AL team to have the home field advantage.

_________________
His mind is not for rent to any God or government.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:27 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:47 pm
Posts: 13380
Location: The far western part of south east North Dakota
pizza_Place: Boboli
Until they address the DH (one way or the other), it will never be a fair comparison.

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I smell a bit....


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:29 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 77043
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Doesn't this benefit both league's?

The AS game rule sucked, and the 10 day DL rule is a nice improvement as well. I also heard they are building in 4 more off days during the season, and there will be MANY more day games on getaway days (Fuck you, Baltimore) which is good for everyone.

I would like to see them go to a 27 man roster, with only 25 active for each game. Obviously your two inactives would be starting pitchers.


If the Cubs and Red Sox had made the World Series this season and you look at the records of the teams they played, do you really think the Cubs deserve the home field based on a "better" record? This only makes sense if everyone plays the same schedule. It would have been better to simply return to alternating years or to award home field to the league that had the better record in interleague play. For the next few seasons at least it will be very difficult for the AL team to have the home field advantage.


What sports league plays the same schedule? It's never fair.

_________________
Nas: Blago, who has single handedly destroyed CFMB?

Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

"You can’t love your country only when you win." -President Biden

https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:30 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:55 am
Posts: 9340
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
Best sports league in America right now


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: MLB Lockout
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:32 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 76963
Location: Chicago Heights
pizza_Place: Aurelio's
Killer V wrote:
Until they address the DH (one way or the other), it will never be a fair comparison.


I agree. Once interleague play began the rules should have been standardized. But I do find it somewhat amusing that in one conversation the NL fan will insist the DH is an advantage for the AL (which, correct me if I'm wrong, seems to be your implication) and in the next conversation the same guy will tell you how complicated the NL game is and how the managers in the NL run circles around AL managers.

_________________
His mind is not for rent to any God or government.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 59 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group