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 Post subject: Re: Shohei Otani
PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:30 am 
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Partially torn UCL.....nice. I thought his statement about getting the PRP treatments as a purely preventative measure was fishy.


Chinese, Japanese, Otani is going to need surgery!

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 Post subject: Re: Shohei Otani
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Juiced wrote:
Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
Partially torn UCL.....nice. I thought his statement about getting the PRP treatments as a purely preventative measure was fishy.


Chinese, Japanese, Otani is going to need surgery!


Theo probably knew that. He likes to pay players to rehab.

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 Post subject: Re: Shohei Otani
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Could he still DH next year with that injury while rehabbing for pitching?

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 Post subject: Re: Shohei Otani
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good dolphin wrote:
Could he still DH next year with that injury while rehabbing for pitching?


Yes GD, the CSFMB doctors that have exclusive access to Otani say it is a possibility.



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 Post subject: Re: Shohei Otani
PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:41 am 
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Juiced wrote:
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Could he still DH next year with that injury while rehabbing for pitching?


Yes GD, the CSFMB doctors that have exclusive access to Otani say it is a possibility.



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It is a general injury that I could probably research and extrapolate for myself. I thought someone may have already performed the heavy lifting.

Soxtalk has a poster who is a doctor. I'd guess he has made an analysis so I will find out but I post more frequently here.

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 Post subject: Re: Shohei Otani
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I read sprain, not tear.

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 Post subject: Re: Shohei Otani
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Either way I doubt they risk it. Gleyber Torres had an elboy injury and he didn't go to DH.


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Jbi11s wrote:
I read sprain, not tear.


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I Sprain Is A Tear!

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 Post subject: Re: Shohei Otani
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http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/12/1 ... ei-ohtani/

Peter Gammons reports that “[p]eople close to Shohei Ohtani privately said that Epstein’s presentation was far and away the most compelling, and it impressed Ohtani.” So why didn’t he choose the Cubs in that case? Well, according to Gammons, “Ohtani also realized that with his elbow ailment—a Grade 1 sprain of the ulnar collateral ligament in his pitching arm—playing the outfield, swinging a bat every day and pitching had risks.” So, Ohtani ultimately decided he was better off with a team where he could DH instead of appearing in the outfield … and that was that.

Oof.

So, basically, the implication here is that if Ohtani had not sprained his UCL, he would’ve been less worried about making throws from the outfield and would’ve been confident in his ability to draw at-bats in that way (as opposed to DH’ing in the AL). And since he was so impressed by the Cubs’ presentation, he very well may have chosen them in that case. But because of the injury, the NL became a riskier bet for Ohtani, and since he also liked the Angels, he went that route.

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 Post subject: Re: Shohei Otani
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'77Cubs wrote:
http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/12/18/son-of-a-was-his-elbow-injury-the-reason-the-cubs-didnt-get-shohei-ohtani/

Peter Gammons reports that “[p]eople close to Shohei Ohtani privately said that Epstein’s presentation was far and away the most compelling, and it impressed Ohtani.” So why didn’t he choose the Cubs in that case? Well, according to Gammons, “Ohtani also realized that with his elbow ailment—a Grade 1 sprain of the ulnar collateral ligament in his pitching arm—playing the outfield, swinging a bat every day and pitching had risks.” So, Ohtani ultimately decided he was better off with a team where he could DH instead of appearing in the outfield … and that was that.

Oof.

So, basically, the implication here is that if Ohtani had not sprained his UCL, he would’ve been less worried about making throws from the outfield and would’ve been confident in his ability to draw at-bats in that way (as opposed to DH’ing in the AL). And since he was so impressed by the Cubs’ presentation, he very well may have chosen them in that case. But because of the injury, the NL became a riskier bet for Ohtani, and since he also liked the Angels, he went that route.

LIFE. STINKS.



I guess he expects to make the big league roster? Also, I would assume this takes 1yr to heal? If that is the case, he based 1yr of "rehab" on his 5-6yrs of control? Great decision making!


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 Post subject: Re: Shohei Otani
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'77Cubs wrote:
http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/12/18/son-of-a-was-his-elbow-injury-the-reason-the-cubs-didnt-get-shohei-ohtani/

Peter Gammons reports that “[p]eople close to Shohei Ohtani privately said that Epstein’s presentation was far and away the most compelling, and it impressed Ohtani.” So why didn’t he choose the Cubs in that case? Well, according to Gammons, “Ohtani also realized that with his elbow ailment—a Grade 1 sprain of the ulnar collateral ligament in his pitching arm—playing the outfield, swinging a bat every day and pitching had risks.” So, Ohtani ultimately decided he was better off with a team where he could DH instead of appearing in the outfield … and that was that.

Oof.

So, basically, the implication here is that if Ohtani had not sprained his UCL, he would’ve been less worried about making throws from the outfield and would’ve been confident in his ability to draw at-bats in that way (as opposed to DH’ing in the AL). And since he was so impressed by the Cubs’ presentation, he very well may have chosen them in that case. But because of the injury, the NL became a riskier bet for Ohtani, and since he also liked the Angels, he went that route.

LIFE. STINKS.


If the queen had balls she'd be king.

Theo was in Boston so Gammons perpetually will have on his knee pads when discussing him.

It seems very important to Cubs fans that their presentation be viewed as superior despite him not signing with the team

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 Post subject: Re: Shohei Otani
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good dolphin wrote:
'77Cubs wrote:
http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/12/18/son-of-a-was-his-elbow-injury-the-reason-the-cubs-didnt-get-shohei-ohtani/

Peter Gammons reports that “[p]eople close to Shohei Ohtani privately said that Epstein’s presentation was far and away the most compelling, and it impressed Ohtani.” So why didn’t he choose the Cubs in that case? Well, according to Gammons, “Ohtani also realized that with his elbow ailment—a Grade 1 sprain of the ulnar collateral ligament in his pitching arm—playing the outfield, swinging a bat every day and pitching had risks.” So, Ohtani ultimately decided he was better off with a team where he could DH instead of appearing in the outfield … and that was that.

Oof.

So, basically, the implication here is that if Ohtani had not sprained his UCL, he would’ve been less worried about making throws from the outfield and would’ve been confident in his ability to draw at-bats in that way (as opposed to DH’ing in the AL). And since he was so impressed by the Cubs’ presentation, he very well may have chosen them in that case. But because of the injury, the NL became a riskier bet for Ohtani, and since he also liked the Angels, he went that route.

LIFE. STINKS.


If the queen had balls she'd be king.

Theo was in Boston so Gammons perpetually will have on his knee pads when discussing him.

It seems very important to Cubs fans that their presentation be viewed as superior despite him not signing with the team


Seriously. If Ohtani liked Chicago, he would be on the White Sox. Has nothing to do with Theo.


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 Post subject: Re: Shohei Otani
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I'm glad the Cubs didnt get him. Sounds like he was dishonest during this whole process hiding his injury.


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 Post subject: Re: Shohei Otani
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He didn’t hide it. Teams were aware before the bidding process began.


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 Post subject: Re: Shohei Otani
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Big Chicagoan wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
'77Cubs wrote:
http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/12/18/son-of-a-was-his-elbow-injury-the-reason-the-cubs-didnt-get-shohei-ohtani/

Peter Gammons reports that “[p]eople close to Shohei Ohtani privately said that Epstein’s presentation was far and away the most compelling, and it impressed Ohtani.” So why didn’t he choose the Cubs in that case? Well, according to Gammons, “Ohtani also realized that with his elbow ailment—a Grade 1 sprain of the ulnar collateral ligament in his pitching arm—playing the outfield, swinging a bat every day and pitching had risks.” So, Ohtani ultimately decided he was better off with a team where he could DH instead of appearing in the outfield … and that was that.

Oof.

So, basically, the implication here is that if Ohtani had not sprained his UCL, he would’ve been less worried about making throws from the outfield and would’ve been confident in his ability to draw at-bats in that way (as opposed to DH’ing in the AL). And since he was so impressed by the Cubs’ presentation, he very well may have chosen them in that case. But because of the injury, the NL became a riskier bet for Ohtani, and since he also liked the Angels, he went that route.

LIFE. STINKS.


If the queen had balls she'd be king.

Theo was in Boston so Gammons perpetually will have on his knee pads when discussing him.

It seems very important to Cubs fans that their presentation be viewed as superior despite him not signing with the team


Seriously. If Ohtani liked Chicago, he would be on the White Sox. Has nothing to do with Theo.


Was there a second prize in the Ohtani sweepstakes?

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 Post subject: Re: Shohei Otani
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2nd prize is not having to deal with the swarm of Japanese media following him around like TMZ.

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 Post subject: Re: Shohei Otani
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Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
2nd prize is not having to deal with the swarm of Japanese media following him around like TMZ.


Sour grapes. The second prize, and out of the five other teams that made it to the "second round" this is unique to the Cubbies, is that they put together a good pitch. Do you really think they were so far superior in their presentation that they deserve the laurels that I have seen thrown by at least three (and probably more) outlets, including the team that ultimately obtained his services? Do you think it is the Ohtani group that is relaying this info through its interpretors? Is the more likely explanation that this "superior presentation" story was leaked from within the Cub organization to a few adoring media members with the knowledge they will print it without further investigation?

because, in the end, what does a superior presentation get you when you didn't win, he is locked in for at least six years and that should he reach his idealized potential he is still best suited to play in the AL

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 Post subject: Re: Shohei Otani
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If you care to reference the early pages in this thread I had him going to the Angels long before the "presentation". The $ and the control were intriguing but he was going to play in the OF as much as Rizzo played 3rd and as much as Travis Wood played the OF.

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 Post subject: Re: Shohei Otani
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Finally we can rest easier knowing that for fantasy baseball purposes Yahoo sports is cloning him. There will be an Otani that gets credit for pitching stats and a different Otani that will accumulate stats on offense.


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