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 Post subject: Re: Mike Matheny Fired
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:55 pm 
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Some of you guys have it right. But let me put some more light on the realities: Forget the speculation on Oquendo and Ozzie...the Cardinals don't employ Latin or Black managers, GM's or Head Scouts. That's not opinion, it's fact. This Shildt guy will keep the job.

There's truth that Fowler put the final nail in the Matheny coffin. Here's what happened last night:

Runners on 2nd and 3rd, no outs. Hard grounder to 3rd and Fowler gets caught about 4 feet off the bag. Instead of continuing to home to start a rundown so the other runners can advance he runs back to 3B immediatly, goes out of the baseline, gets called out and without having to make a tag the 3Bman throws to 1st to double up the hitter, Pham.

It was a jaw dropping thing to watch. It was truly sickening. More proof that the rich SOB's on this team really don't give a damn.

I don't blame Matheny for being the worst manager I've seen since Ken Boyer...I blame the GM that hired and supported his sorry ass these long six years. He still has his job. That's too bad for so-called Cardinal nation.

Matheny inherited a World Series caliber team and gradually let it go to hell. But as I said, it's Mozelic's fault that he hired a man with ZERO managerial experience (at ANY level) and quietly tolerated his ineptitude until the fan base just got too loud with their disgust and frustration.

Thank you, Dexter. Now go fuck yourself and re-sign with the Cubs, you worthless fucking mole.
This whole " poor Dex Fowler" thing the last couple weeks is something.

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 Post subject: Re: Mike Matheny Fired
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I loved me some Dexter Fowler. It's hard to play hard for a club that talks shit about you constantly. If he gives no fucks it's the cardinals fault.

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 Post subject: Re: Mike Matheny Fired
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I loved me some Dexter Fowler. It's hard to play hard for a club that talks shit about you constantly. If he gives no fucks it's the cardinals fault.

Yeah i agree. They called him out while off for the birth of a child. That is bullshit.

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 Post subject: Re: Mike Matheny Fired
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:15 pm 
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St. Louis Bull Man wrote:
Some of you guys have it right. But let me put some more light on the realities: Forget the speculation on Oquendo and Ozzie...the Cardinals don't employ Latin or Black managers, GM's or Head Scouts. That's not opinion, it's fact. This Shildt guy will keep the job.

There's truth that Fowler put the final nail in the Matheny coffin. Here's what happened last night:

Runners on 2nd and 3rd, no outs. Hard grounder to 3rd and Fowler gets caught about 4 feet off the bag. Instead of continuing to home to start a rundown so the other runners can advance he runs back to 3B immediatly, goes out of the baseline, gets called out and without having to make a tag the 3Bman throws to 1st to double up the hitter, Pham.

It was a jaw dropping thing to watch. It was truly sickening. More proof that the rich SOB's on this team really don't give a damn.

I don't blame Matheny for being the worst manager I've seen since Ken Boyer...I blame the GM that hired and supported his sorry ass these long six years. He still has his job. That's too bad for so-called Cardinal nation.

Matheny inherited a World Series caliber team and gradually let it go to hell. But as I said, it's Mozelic's fault that he hired a man with ZERO managerial experience (at ANY level) and quietly tolerated his ineptitude until the fan base just got too loud with their disgust and frustration.

Thank you, Dexter. Now go fuck yourself and re-sign with the Cubs, you worthless fucking mole.


It’s Matheny’s fault Fowler couldn’t run the bases properly and couldn’t hit? Come on.

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 Post subject: Re: Mike Matheny Fired
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:15 pm 
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
St. Louis Bull Man wrote:
Some of you guys have it right. But let me put some more light on the realities: Forget the speculation on Oquendo and Ozzie...the Cardinals don't employ Latin or Black managers, GM's or Head Scouts. That's not opinion, it's fact. This Shildt guy will keep the job.

There's truth that Fowler put the final nail in the Matheny coffin. Here's what happened last night:

Runners on 2nd and 3rd, no outs. Hard grounder to 3rd and Fowler gets caught about 4 feet off the bag. Instead of continuing to home to start a rundown so the other runners can advance he runs back to 3B immediatly, goes out of the baseline, gets called out and without having to make a tag the 3Bman throws to 1st to double up the hitter, Pham.

It was a jaw dropping thing to watch. It was truly sickening. More proof that the rich SOB's on this team really don't give a damn.

I don't blame Matheny for being the worst manager I've seen since Ken Boyer...I blame the GM that hired and supported his sorry ass these long six years. He still has his job. That's too bad for so-called Cardinal nation.

Matheny inherited a World Series caliber team and gradually let it go to hell. But as I said, it's Mozelic's fault that he hired a man with ZERO managerial experience (at ANY level) and quietly tolerated his ineptitude until the fan base just got too loud with their disgust and frustration.

Thank you, Dexter. Now go fuck yourself and re-sign with the Cubs, you worthless fucking mole.


It’s Matheny’s fault Fowler couldn’t run the bases properly and couldn’t hit? Come on.
No. It's MM's fault for a myriad of in-game failures and even PLAYING a sub-mendoza flop when there's a younger, faster, stronger arm and a better hitting RFer sitting on the pine. Harrison Bader.


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 Post subject: Re: Mike Matheny Fired
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:38 pm 
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Fowler was one of those players where he was a perfect fit for only one team, and probably not as successful on others.

He's still a better lead off man than what the cubs currently have. But Almora has taken his place in CF and then some.

I wouldn't mind Fowler back still but not sure how much he's been damaged.

From what STL man is saying, sounds like he's become somewhat of a primadonna there.


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 Post subject: Re: Mike Matheny Fired
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:34 pm 
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
St. Louis Bull Man wrote:
Some of you guys have it right. But let me put some more light on the realities: Forget the speculation on Oquendo and Ozzie...the Cardinals don't employ Latin or Black managers, GM's or Head Scouts. That's not opinion, it's fact. This Shildt guy will keep the job.

There's truth that Fowler put the final nail in the Matheny coffin. Here's what happened last night:

Runners on 2nd and 3rd, no outs. Hard grounder to 3rd and Fowler gets caught about 4 feet off the bag. Instead of continuing to home to start a rundown so the other runners can advance he runs back to 3B immediatly, goes out of the baseline, gets called out and without having to make a tag the 3Bman throws to 1st to double up the hitter, Pham.

It was a jaw dropping thing to watch. It was truly sickening. More proof that the rich SOB's on this team really don't give a damn.

I don't blame Matheny for being the worst manager I've seen since Ken Boyer...I blame the GM that hired and supported his sorry ass these long six years. He still has his job. That's too bad for so-called Cardinal nation.

Matheny inherited a World Series caliber team and gradually let it go to hell. But as I said, it's Mozelic's fault that he hired a man with ZERO managerial experience (at ANY level) and quietly tolerated his ineptitude until the fan base just got too loud with their disgust and frustration.

Thank you, Dexter. Now go fuck yourself and re-sign with the Cubs, you worthless fucking mole.


It’s Matheny’s fault Fowler couldn’t run the bases properly and couldn’t hit? Come on.
Yeah, lallygagging on the field isn’t anyone’s fault but his own.

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 Post subject: Re: Mike Matheny Fired
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:31 am 
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Matheny was a perfect fit to take over for Larussa.

Basically a younger version of Larussa.

It worked at first, they went to a World Series, etc., but seems they need a different voice now.

Seems guys are tired of the hard-nosed, no-nonsense, 1990s Braves culture there.

Matheny is nothing like LaRussa and never was.

LaRussa is an all time great.


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 Post subject: Re: Mike Matheny Fired
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:39 am 
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Matheny, with the organization's approval, has benched, demoted, and pretty much got the least possible out of their young players for years while most veterans got a pass. He's also terrible in game and ignores the numbers (LOVES to bunt)


This article details it all nicely



https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-shou ... -285976744


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 Post subject: Re: Mike Matheny Fired
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:44 pm 
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Put That List of Cards’ Manager Candidates Down. This is Mike Shildt’s Job To Lose.
By Bernie Miklasz
July 16, 2018 2:18 pm



I’m seeing a lot of headlines on the interwebs, bugling the name of ex-Yankees manager Joe Girardi as the favorite to become the next Cardinals’ manager.

Um, no.

I don’t know if any casino is making book on this…

But the betting favorite for the Cardinals’ managing job is the guy who holds the Cardinals’ managing job.

That would be Mike Shildt.

Shildt is the obvious favorite for these common-sense reasons:

1–Shildt has the gig right now and is in position to make the most of his opportunity. He doesn’t have to have his agent call the Cardinals. No need to satisfy the review of a search committee. There were no job interviews. Saturday night, Cardinals chairman Bill DeWitt Jr., president of baseball operations John Mozeliak and GM Michael Girsch fired Mike Matheny and went straight to Shildt. That was the process that got Shildt the job. The Cardinals turned a troubled team over to him. An underperforming, messy, disjointed and demoralized team. A team that, through Matheny’s final game on Saturday, had a .443 winning percentage since May 7. Just to frame that in the correct perspective, that .443 win% over a stretch of 2 months and 8 days ranked 22nd among the 30 MLB teams, 12th among the 15 NL teams, and fifth and last in the NL Central. If Shildt can reenergize and unite the Cardinals, get underwhelming hitters on track, deodorize the defense, spiff up the base running and lead the Cards to a significantly improved showing and maybe a wild-card playoff spot … then what would be the point of looking for another manager? Shildt, right now, has one massive advantage over every other candidate: he’s in the job, can show that he’s worthy of the job, and can earn the job beyond 2018.

2–Shildt isn’t some guy; he has deep roots in the St. Louis organization. Shildt was a special favorite of franchise icon George Kissell (father of the Cardinal way of baseball instruction.) Shildt won awards for his performance as a manager at three different levels (Rookie A, Class AA, and Triple A) in the Cardinals farm system. His teams won three league championships in the minors. Shildt did it all: Coaching, scouting, teaching, managing. And he handled a wide array of assignments with distinction.

3–Shildt has managed a long list of future big-leaguers, Cardinals’ big-leaguers, on their way up. This isn’t a complete list, but it is a thorough one. Let’s start with the position players: Harrison Bader, Kolten Wong, Greg Garcia, Jose Martinez, Tommy Pham, Randal Grichuk, Matt Adams, Aledmys Diaz, Carson Kelly, Stephen Piscotty, Charlie Tilson, Breyvic Valera, Oscar Taveras, Ed Easley, Ruben Gotay, Tony Cruz, Nick Martini, Alex Mejia, Rafael Ortega, Xavier Scruggs, Jermaine Curtis, Travis Tartamella, Colin Walsh, David Washington, Cody Stanley. And the pitchers: Carlos Martinez, Alex Reyes, Luke Weaver, Marco Gonzales, John Brebbia, Sam Tuivailala, Mike Mayers, Seth Maness, Trevor Rosenthal, Kevin Siegrist, Tyler Lyons, Josh Lucas, Ryan Sherriff, Mitch Harris, Nick Greenwood, Keith Butler, Tyrell Jenkins, Dean Kiekhefer, Sam Gaviglio, Tim Cooney, Michael Blazek, Sam Freeman, Eric Fornataro, John Gast, Jorge Rondon.

4-Shildt’s history with so many Cardinals gives him a head start in establishing or strengthening relationships, and he has a good opportunity to win the loyalty of the players. “He’s a pretty good communicator,” outfielder Dexter Fowler said. “You can tell already. The guys that played for him (in the minors), they love him and that says a lot.” Added third baseman Matt Carpenter: “He’s been in the organization and knows so many of our players who played for him. He cares about our guys and he has a good feel for what we’re trying to do as a team. Those are good qualities.”

5–Shildt’s biggest advocate is John Mozeliak. Shildt’s first job in professional baseball was a scouting position for the Cardinals, and Mozeliak hired him. Shildt was appointed to his first minor-league coaching job by Mozeliak. Received his first minor-league managing job from Mozeliak. Was brought to the major leagues by Mozeliak, and named to the Cardinals’ coaching staff in 2017. Was promoted to third base coach, and later bench coach, all with Mozeliak’s blessings. And Mozeliak didn’t hesitate to make Shildt the Cards’ interim manager after dismissing Matheny. In a conversation a couple of years ago, Mozeliak told me he definitely could see Shildt becoming the Cardinals’ manager one day. Given the history between Mozeliak and Shildt, we can even conclude that “Mo” has been grooming Shildt for the job.

6–Shildt is an enthusiast of advanced metrics. Very important. Matheny had an aversion to analytics, and preferred to manage a team based on how things were done in the 1990s. This is a key job consideration, given DeWitt’s commitment to advanced metrics, and his funding of one of the best analytic departments in the majors. This makes Shildt compatible with the organizational philosophy of relying on metrics to gain a tactical or personnel edge.

7–Shildt has one of the smartest baseball minds in the organization. He is intellectually curious, is always searching to enhance his knowledge and is a forward-thinking individual. And that represents a dramatic change from the previous manager. Shildt’s depth of brainpower would make him a candidate for any position in the Cardinals’ baseball operation, including that of an assistant GM or GM.

None of this means that Shildt will definitely keep the job past the end of the 2018 season.

If Shildt can’t get the Cardinals on track to improve, play smarter ball, and seriously contend — then outside candidates such as Joe Girardi will get a long look.

But he’s already a match for what the Cardinals are looking for: Intelligence … an more astute tactician … a knowledge of Cardinals history … an understanding of what this team needs … a genuine (not sanctimonious) nature … a warmth in his ability to communicate with players of all ages … a more relaxed personality who won’t stress his players out … confidence mixed with humility … a willingness to hold players accountable instead of letting them slide, but doing it by showing them respect and appealing to their professionalism … a fluency with analytics … an established working relationship, and chemistry, with the front office. And his continuity is a plus.

It’s Shildt’s job to lose. He keeps it by winning. Shildt has something that no other candidate possesses: the key to the Cards’ manager’s office and 68 games to show that the late George Kissell knew how to identify a winner and a leader. It’s among the reasons why Kissell’s favorite baseball son is the favorite for the job.

Thanks for reading …

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