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Joe Orr Road Rod

Post subject: Re: Bobby Abreu - HOFer?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:06 pm

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I think a Hall of Fame and a Hall of Player Value might look slightly different on the margins.

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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:42 pm

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Well they've got a lot of guys we don't know too much about like Abrew and Rowlings.

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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:19 pm

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I'd take Larry Walker over Abreu as a right fielder, and Walker's not in the HoF.

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Bobby Abreu - HOFer?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:24 pm

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tommy wrote:

I'd take Larry Walker over Abreu as a right fielder, and Walker's not in the HoF.

Me too.

I can NOT believe it's been 14 years since he retired.

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Joe Orr Road Rod

Post subject: Re: Bobby Abreu - HOFer?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:32 pm

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Look at Walker's numbers. He's an obvious first ballot guy. But he's got the double taint of steroids and Colorado.

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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:04 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Further confirmation of my thought that Bill James needs to go away.

Now.

You dont hate James, you hate that he revealed you know less than you thought you did.

He’s trying to reveal you know less than you thought did about Bobby Abreu but you’re not listening.

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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:21 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Further confirmation of my thought that Bill James needs to go away.

Now.

You dont hate James, you hate that he revealed you know less than you thought you did.

He’s trying to reveal you know less than you thought did about Bobby Abreu but you’re not listening.

And RPB said that I was coming from a position of arrogance. :lol:

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Hatchetman

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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:24 pm

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he was another roided up guy

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Walt Williams Neck

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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:30 pm

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

No way Abreu was better than Reggie Smith but James and Kenny are obsessed with walk rates so they're not talking about him.

Reggie Smith was a vital cog in some very good WS teams for almost(?) a decade?

Underrated player. Probably the third or fourth best switch hitter of all-time.

JOR I just lost any respect I had left for you :roll:

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312player

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Walt Williams Neck wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

No way Abreu was better than Reggie Smith but James and Kenny are obsessed with walk rates so they're not talking about him.

Reggie Smith was a vital cog in some very good WS teams for almost(?) a decade?

Underrated player. Probably the third or fourth best switch hitter of all-time.

JOR I just lost any respect I had left for you :roll:

Mantle
Alomar
Chipper
?
?

Abreu > Murray, Bernie Williams and Tim Raines

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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:38 pm

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Bobby Abreu - HOFer?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:12 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Further confirmation of my thought that Bill James needs to go away.

Now.

You dont hate James, you hate that he revealed you know less than you thought you did.

He’s trying to reveal you know less than you thought did about Bobby Abreu but you’re not listening.

Every so often he's wrong.

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Bobby Abreu - HOFer?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:13 pm

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Regular Reader wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Further confirmation of my thought that Bill James needs to go away.

Now.

You dont hate James, you hate that he revealed you know less than you thought you did.

He’s trying to reveal you know less than you thought did about Bobby Abreu but you’re not listening.

And RPB said that I was coming from a position of arrogance. :lol:

I called myself arrogant in the same post you half reporting fake news peddler!

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Walt Williams Neck

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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:17 pm

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Give me BA's right handed stats

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Joe Orr Road Rod

Post subject: Re: Bobby Abreu - HOFer?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:59 pm

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312player wrote:

Walt Williams Neck wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

No way Abreu was better than Reggie Smith but James and Kenny are obsessed with walk rates so they're not talking about him.

Reggie Smith was a vital cog in some very good WS teams for almost(?) a decade?

Underrated player. Probably the third or fourth best switch hitter of all-time.

JOR I just lost any respect I had left for you :roll:

Mantle
Alomar
Chipper
?
?

Abreu > Murray, Bernie Williams and Tim Raines

1. Mantle
2. Murray

That's undisputed.

The next two are Chipper and Smith.

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Joe Orr Road Rod

Post subject: Re: Bobby Abreu - HOFer?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:00 pm

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Walt Williams Neck wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

No way Abreu was better than Reggie Smith but James and Kenny are obsessed with walk rates so they're not talking about him.

Reggie Smith was a vital cog in some very good WS teams for almost(?) a decade?

Underrated player. Probably the third or fourth best switch hitter of all-time.

JOR I just lost any respect I had left for you :roll:

That's not an argument, Walt.

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Post subject: Re: Bobby Abreu - HOFer?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:32 pm

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

312player wrote:

Walt Williams Neck wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

No way Abreu was better than Reggie Smith but James and Kenny are obsessed with walk rates so they're not talking about him.

Reggie Smith was a vital cog in some very good WS teams for almost(?) a decade?

Underrated player. Probably the third or fourth best switch hitter of all-time.

JOR I just lost any respect I had left for you :roll:

Mantle
Alomar
Chipper
?
?

Abreu > Murray, Bernie Williams and Tim Raines

1. Mantle
2. Murray

That's undisputed.

The next two are Chipper and Smith.

Pete Rose might want to have some speaks with you.

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Joe Orr Road Rod

Post subject: Re: Bobby Abreu - HOFer?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:05 pm

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One Post wrote:

Pete Rose might want to have some speaks with you.

Singles hitter. Rose is more like Frankie Frisch than he is like the stud switch hitters with power.

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312player

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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:10 pm

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Ozzie had no power and was no stud, Lance berkman should be way ahead of Oz

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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:16 pm

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Abreu is FAR SUPERIOR to Rizzo.

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Bobby Abreu - HOFer?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:17 pm

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

312player wrote:

Walt Williams Neck wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

No way Abreu was better than Reggie Smith but James and Kenny are obsessed with walk rates so they're not talking about him.

Reggie Smith was a vital cog in some very good WS teams for almost(?) a decade?

Underrated player. Probably the third or fourth best switch hitter of all-time.

JOR I just lost any respect I had left for you :roll:

Mantle
Alomar
Chipper
?
?

Abreu > Murray, Bernie Williams and Tim Raines

1. Mantle
2. Murray

That's undisputed.

The next two are Chipper and Smith.

Murray was old when I started watching. Chippers numbers are better in a lot of ways. What makes Murray better?

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Joe Orr Road Rod

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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:40 pm

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I would say it was harder to hit in Murray's tme. Parks were bigger. Murray also played in a tougher hitter's park.

No knock on Chipper. He's among the best switch hitters ever. It's the slappy guys like Rose that I don't think belong in the conversation. The power is important.

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tommy

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

The next two are Chipper and Smith.

Murray was old when I started watching. Chippers numbers are better in a lot of ways. What makes Murray better?

Solid every year in a low-offense era. Not a lot of homers at Memorial Park (was that what Baltimore's stadium was called?)

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Hatchetman

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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:53 pm

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Murray crushes him in Badassery Index.

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I'd take Rose over Abreu since he's way more irritating to the competition.

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rogers park bryan

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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:07 pm

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Hatchetman wrote:

Murray crushes him in Badassery Index.

Absolutely.

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312player

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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:22 pm

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

If power is important than how you gonna gave Ozzie in the top 4? Dude had like 20 career homers in 18 years.

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Joe Orr Road Rod

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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:44 pm

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312player wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

If power is important than how you gonna gave Ozzie in the top 4? Dude had like 20 career homers in 18 years.

Who the fuck is Ozzie? What are you on about?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

312player wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

If power is important than how you gonna gave Ozzie in the top 4? Dude had like 20 career homers in 18 years.

Who the fuck is Ozzie? What are you on about?

He thinks Reggie Smith is Ozzie Smith.

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