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conns7901

Post subject: Would they really give the ROY to a .230 hitter?

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:22 pm

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That would have to be some kind of record .230/.302/.454. Despite the defensive metrics.

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:34 pm

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It's a 2 man race in the AL with 10 days to go..

Crowenworth or Lewis

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Who cares about ROY for Lou Bob. The bigger questions are will he continue to struggle in the playoffs? Has the league figured him out? Not much time for him to make adjustments in this shortened season.

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat

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312player wrote:

It's a 2 man race in the AL with 10 days to go..

Crowenworth or Lewis

Cronenworth is a Padre. He used to be in the Rays organization but got included in the Tommy Pham deal because he was blocked in Tampa.

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Frank Coztansa

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:26 pm

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"They" gave it to a Cub in 1962 with a .260/ .290/ .346 slashline, to go along with a league-leading 129 strikeouts. So there is at least some precedent in doing so with strong defensive metrics.

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Post subject: Re: Would they really give the ROY to a .230 hitter?

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:10 pm

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I sure as hell know who the MVP is.

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312player

Post subject: Re: Would they really give the ROY to a .230 hitter?

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

312player wrote:

It's a 2 man race in the AL with 10 days to go..

Crowenworth or Lewis

Cronenworth is a Padre. He used to be in the Rays organization but got included in the Tommy Pham deal because he was blocked in Tampa.

Didn't realize he left Tampa.. Sounded like he was a can't miss prospect.

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Frank Coztansa

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:12 pm

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So was Bryant :lol:

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312player

Post subject: Re: Would they really give the ROY to a .230 hitter?

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:21 pm

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

So was Bryant :lol:

Bryant delivered early, Roy and MVP with a ring in under 3 seasons.. He's just soft as shit and his swing is way too long.

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Juiced

Post subject: Re: Would they really give the ROY to a .230 hitter?

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:29 pm

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312player wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

So was Bryant :lol:

Bryant delivered early, Roy and MVP with a ring in under 3 seasons.. He's just soft as shit and his swing is way too long.

I blame his wife. He was fine until he got married.

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JustAGayGuy

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:31 pm

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Juiced wrote:

312player wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

So was Bryant :lol:

Bryant delivered early, Roy and MVP with a ring in under 3 seasons.. He's just soft as shit and his swing is way too long.

I blame his wife. He was fine until he got married.

Women... amirite?

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:35 pm

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312player wrote:

Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

312player wrote:

It's a 2 man race in the AL with 10 days to go..

Crowenworth or Lewis

Cronenworth is a Padre. He used to be in the Rays organization but got included in the Tommy Pham deal because he was blocked in Tampa.

Didn't realize he left Tampa.. Sounded like he was a can't miss prospect.

I saw him play at Durham. Great hitter but his defense wasn't good enough to stick at short in the big leagues. He has a chance to become a Zobrist like guy who plays primarily 2B but can also play LF/RF/1B.

The other guy to watch from that team was Mike Brosseau, who got promoted to Tampa late last year. More of a platoon power guy, he and Jake split SS in Durham but Brosseau profiles more as a traditional utility 5th IF.

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:36 pm

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Juiced wrote:

312player wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

So was Bryant :lol:

Bryant delivered early, Roy and MVP with a ring in under 3 seasons.. He's just soft as shit and his swing is way too long.

I blame his wife. He was fine until he got married.

I blame getting hit in the head. Look what it did to Heyward. If it even slightly affects your vision and your ability to pick up spin, that could be enough to fuck your career.

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HawaiiYou

Post subject: Re: Would they really give the ROY to a .230 hitter?

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:38 pm

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

Juiced wrote:

312player wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

So was Bryant :lol:

Bryant delivered early, Roy and MVP with a ring in under 3 seasons.. He's just soft as shit and his swing is way too long.

I blame his wife. He was fine until he got married.

I blame getting hit in the head. Look what it did to Heyward. If it even slightly affects your vision and your ability to pick up spin, that could be enough to fuck your career.

brandon belt...perfect example...after getting dinged on his head he has never been the same player before the incident.

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Juiced

Post subject: Re: Would they really give the ROY to a .230 hitter?

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:39 pm

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

Juiced wrote:

312player wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

So was Bryant :lol:

Bryant delivered early, Roy and MVP with a ring in under 3 seasons.. He's just soft as shit and his swing is way too long.

I blame his wife. He was fine until he got married.

I blame getting hit in the head. Look what it did to Heyward. If it even slightly affects your vision and your ability to pick up spin, that could be enough to fuck your career.

Yes, I have said this multiple times in the Cubs threads. He was never the same after he got hit. Sosa, Dawson they all lost something after they got hit.

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JustAGayGuy

Post subject: Re: Would they really give the ROY to a .230 hitter?

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:39 pm

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Wasn't the beginning of the end for Sosa getting hit in the coconut?

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Juiced

Post subject: Re: Would they really give the ROY to a .230 hitter?

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:40 pm

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HawaiiYou wrote:

Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

Juiced wrote:

312player wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

So was Bryant :lol:

Bryant delivered early, Roy and MVP with a ring in under 3 seasons.. He's just soft as shit and his swing is way too long.

I blame his wife. He was fine until he got married.

I blame getting hit in the head. Look what it did to Heyward. If it even slightly affects your vision and your ability to pick up spin, that could be enough to fuck your career.

brandon belt...perfect example...after getting dinged on his head he has never been the same player before the incident.

He got.... belted

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HawaiiYou

Post subject: Re: Would they really give the ROY to a .230 hitter?

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:40 pm

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Juiced wrote:

Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

Juiced wrote:

312player wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

So was Bryant :lol:

Bryant delivered early, Roy and MVP with a ring in under 3 seasons.. He's just soft as shit and his swing is way too long.

I blame his wife. He was fine until he got married.

I blame getting hit in the head. Look what it did to Heyward. If it even slightly affects your vision and your ability to pick up spin, that could be enough to fuck your career.

Yes, I have said this multiple times in the Cubs threads. He was never the same after he got hit. Sosa, Dawson they all lost something after they got hit.

dont forget he hurt his little finger in 2017 sliding into 3rd at balitmore. instead of putting him on the dl they let him play where he had to change his swing to account for his injury to his hand.

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HawaiiYou

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:42 pm

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4U0juHSwMo

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:42 pm

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JustAGayGuy wrote:

Juiced wrote:

312player wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

So was Bryant :lol:

Bryant delivered early, Roy and MVP with a ring in under 3 seasons.. He's just soft as shit and his swing is way too long.

I blame his wife. He was fine until he got married.

Women... amirite?

Exactly, imagine how good our Guy Rodgers would have been if he had stayed with Kevin.

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Post subject: Re: Would they really give the ROY to a .230 hitter?

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:36 pm

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tommy wrote:

I sure as hell know who the MVP is.

Yeah Shane Bieber with almost 1/3 of the total Clev. win total himself. Crazy low ERA, K’s off the chart.

I thought I was the only one to see how obvious a call it would be to give him the MVP.

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Nardi

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tommy wrote:

I sure as hell know who the MVP is.

Yeah Shane Bieber with almost 1/3 of the total Clev. win total himself. Crazy low ERA, K’s off the chart.

I thought I was the only one to see how obvious a call it would be to give him the MVP.

July math?

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:06 pm

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tommy wrote:

I sure as hell know who the MVP is.

I do too.

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:27 am

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there should be an analysis of guys who were hit in the head with a baseball pre and post hit. This is a real thing.

Heyward still pulls off the ball. He's just not the same guy anymore. Sosa wasn't either, and he was clearly still juicing, in my opinion. This article disagrees with me though:

https://tht.fangraphs.com/the-three-dec ... ammy-sosa/

You can visibly see a guy who pulls off the ball, doesn't stay on it.

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:26 am

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No.

and he isn't playing great defense right now, either

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good dolphin wrote:

No.

and he isn't playing great defense right now, either

Rookies hitting the wall after 40 games isn't new, not having another 120 games to work it out, is.

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Joe Orr Road Rod

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:23 pm

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312player wrote:

Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

312player wrote:

It's a 2 man race in the AL with 10 days to go..

Crowenworth or Lewis

Cronenworth is a Padre. He used to be in the Rays organization but got included in the Tommy Pham deal because he was blocked in Tampa.

Didn't realize he left Tampa.. Sounded like he was a can't miss prospect.

Then how the hell did you know he was a ROY candidate?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

312player wrote:

Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

312player wrote:

It's a 2 man race in the AL with 10 days to go..

Crowenworth or Lewis

Cronenworth is a Padre. He used to be in the Rays organization but got included in the Tommy Pham deal because he was blocked in Tampa.

Didn't realize he left Tampa.. Sounded like he was a can't miss prospect.

Then how the hell did you know he was a ROY candidate?

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:40 pm

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Regular Reader wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

312player wrote:

Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

312player wrote:

It's a 2 man race in the AL with 10 days to go..

Crowenworth or Lewis

Cronenworth is a Padre. He used to be in the Rays organization but got included in the Tommy Pham deal because he was blocked in Tampa.

Didn't realize he left Tampa.. Sounded like he was a can't miss prospect.

Then how the hell did you know he was a ROY candidate?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

312player wrote:

Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

312player wrote:

It's a 2 man race in the AL with 10 days to go..

Crowenworth or Lewis

Cronenworth is a Padre. He used to be in the Rays organization but got included in the Tommy Pham deal because he was blocked in Tampa.

Didn't realize he left Tampa.. Sounded like he was a can't miss prospect.

Then how the hell did you know he was a ROY candidate?

Satelite radio.. They were just talking about roy candidates.

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