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Author:  Tesla muffler [ Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:51 am ]
Post subject:  Zack Greinke
He is 1-15 this year. I don't think I've ever seen anyone go 1-15.
Imagine having 223 wins, and you pitch all year and add only 1 win to your total.

He started Game 1 this year, and today starting Game 162.
Author:  Chet Coppock's Fur Coat [ Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zack Greinke
Anthony Young had back to back 2-14 and 1-16 records for the 1992/1993 Mets before coming to the Cubs for a couple of years.
Author:  vitoscotti [ Sun Oct 01, 2023 3:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zack Greinke
José DeLeón

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Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Sun Oct 01, 2023 3:25 pm ]
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He's made $338 million in his career. :shock:
Author:  Darkside [ Sun Oct 01, 2023 3:36 pm ]
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This is incredible. 26 starts and one damn win? How does this happen?
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:00 pm ]
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Darkside wrote:
This is incredible. 26 starts and one damn win? How does this happen?

Run support. Just ask Quintana
Author:  Warren Newson [ Sun Oct 01, 2023 5:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zack Greinke
He's also a fringy Hall of Famer.
Author:  Douchebag [ Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zack Greinke
Warren Newson wrote:
He's also a fringy Hall of Famer.

No he's not.
Author:  This Ends in Antioch [ Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:39 pm ]
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Douchebag wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
He's also a fringy Hall of Famer.

No he's not.

Fringe hall of fame police.

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Author:  NWsider4-3-3 [ Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:13 pm ]
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vitoscotti wrote:
José DeLeón

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i believe he lead the NL in fewest hits per inning a few times.
Author:  man of few opinions [ Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zack Greinke
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Anthony Young had back to back 2-14 and 1-16 records for the 1992/1993 Mets before coming to the Cubs for a couple of years.

I remember there was a bit of excitement around him when the cubs got him that the change of venue was what he needed and he had A+ stuff. Nope
Author:  Warren Newson [ Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:56 pm ]
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
He's also a fringy Hall of Famer.

No he's not.

Fringe hall of fame police.

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Average HOF Starting Pitcher WAR: 73
Greinke's WAR: 77.3

Average HOF Starting Pitcher 7 Year Peak WAR: 49.9
Greinke's 7 Year Peak WAR: 48.4
Author:  This Ends in Antioch [ Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:03 pm ]
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Warren Newson wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
He's also a fringy Hall of Famer.

No he's not.

Fringe hall of fame police.

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Average HOF Starting Pitcher WAR: 73
Greinke's WAR: 77.3

Average HOF Starting Pitcher 7 Year Peak WAR: 49.9
Greinke's 7 Year Peak WAR: 48.4

I’d say he’s a hall of famer but I’m not going to look into it. I assume he’s been on a WS winner or two? At least one cy young?

Good enough for me, but baseball is weird.
Author:  Warren Newson [ Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:09 pm ]
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
He's also a fringy Hall of Famer.

No he's not.

Fringe hall of fame police.

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Average HOF Starting Pitcher WAR: 73
Greinke's WAR: 77.3

Average HOF Starting Pitcher 7 Year Peak WAR: 49.9
Greinke's 7 Year Peak WAR: 48.4

I’d say he’s a hall of famer but I’m not going to look into it. I assume he’s been on a WS winner or two? At least one cy young?

Good enough for me, but baseball is weird.


He has one Cy Young (2009), but while he's pitched for World Series teams, he's never been on a winner. I'm not convinced he's one of the best pitchers of this generation, so I don't think I'd vote for him, but he's going to hang around on the ballot for the full 10 years if he doesn't get in.
Author:  Douchebag [ Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:12 pm ]
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Warren Newson wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
He's also a fringy Hall of Famer.

No he's not.

Fringe hall of fame police.

Image


Average HOF Starting Pitcher WAR: 73
Greinke's WAR: 77.3

Average HOF Starting Pitcher 7 Year Peak WAR: 49.9
Greinke's 7 Year Peak WAR: 48.4

I’d say he’s a hall of famer but I’m not going to look into it. I assume he’s been on a WS winner or two? At least one cy young?

Good enough for me, but baseball is weird.


He has one Cy Young (2009), but while he's pitched for World Series teams, he's never been on a winner. I'm not convinced he's one of the best pitchers of this generation, so I don't think I'd vote for him, but he's going to hang around on the ballot for the full 10 years if he doesn't get in.

He will be off within the first 3 ballots.
Author:  Tesla muffler [ Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:14 pm ]
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Warren Newson wrote:

Average HOF Starting Pitcher WAR: 73
Greinke's WAR: 77.3

Average HOF Starting Pitcher 7 Year Peak WAR: 49.9
Greinke's 7 Year Peak WAR: 48.4



What's funny is that before today, he was 1-15 in 26 starts, and he had a 0.8 WAR. As if to say his average replacement in the rotation would have started 26 times and had 0.2 wins?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... za01.shtml
Author:  Warren Newson [ Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zack Greinke
He'll clear the threshold on the first ballot. Once that happens, his WAR will be high enough to keep him around. It's good for 25th all-time amongst starting pitchers.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Mon Oct 02, 2023 6:33 am ]
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W/L record is meaningless. I'm sure Greinke is doing great.
Author:  Nardi [ Tue Oct 03, 2023 6:55 am ]
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Douchebag wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
He's also a fringy Hall of Famer.

No he's not.

Yes he is. 100% fringy.
Author:  Sock Puppet [ Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:50 am ]
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And he conquered social anxiety. He is in.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:54 am ]
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Nardi wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
He's also a fringy Hall of Famer.

No he's not.

Yes he is. 100% fringy.



If he's "fringy" there aren't going to be many starting pitchers in the Hall going forward. He's got a .590 winning percentage over 500+ starts and 3000 strikeouts.

What do you think it should take to make the Hall of Fame?
Author:  Warren Newson [ Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:32 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
He's also a fringy Hall of Famer.

No he's not.

Yes he is. 100% fringy.



If he's "fringy" there aren't going to be many starting pitchers in the Hall going forward. He's got a .590 winning percentage over 500+ starts and 3000 strikeouts.

What do you think it should take to make the Hall of Fame?


I think Verlander, Kershaw, and Scherzer all get in before he does. They've all pitched in bigger games and have similar or better numbers.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Zack Greinke
Warren Newson wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
He's also a fringy Hall of Famer.

No he's not.

Yes he is. 100% fringy.



If he's "fringy" there aren't going to be many starting pitchers in the Hall going forward. He's got a .590 winning percentage over 500+ starts and 3000 strikeouts.

What do you think it should take to make the Hall of Fame?


I think Verlander, Kershaw, and Scherzer all get in before he does. They've all pitched in bigger games and have similar or better numbers.


Yeah, all those guys are obviously in. But I'm not sure how many even like them there will be in the future. Blake Snell is going to have a Cy Young in both leagues and he's never been beyond the seventh inning. I think Greinke is a no-brainer. I would call Buehrle "fringy."
Author:  Hussra [ Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:45 am ]
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speaking of HoF watch, Verlander ends 2023 at 257-141 (going 6-5 on the putrid Mets didn't help), pitched in 5 world series (won maybe 1 WS game tho himself), 3 Cy Young Awards, ROY, MVP...probably more of a 300 game watch than a HoF watch.

Verlander's getting into the HoF unless they stop admitting starting pitchers entirely, cuz no one's getting to 300 ever again. He's probably the last best shot at it tho. So he might Jamie Moyer it up and keep bouncing from team to team, picking up 4 wins here, 5 wins there until he gets to 300 regular season W's.
Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Tue Oct 03, 2023 11:01 am ]
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Verlander, Scherzer, Kershaw all 1st ballot, no doubt.

Greinke on fringe, probably in eventually. Wainwright further on fringe, probably out.
Author:  HawaiiYou [ Tue Oct 03, 2023 11:11 am ]
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If you let guys like Baines, Rolen, Simmons in, might as well let Greinke in.

And also Steve Garvey. For decades Garvey HOF wasn't even a mention as it should not have been. but with those 3 good players in, he deserves to get in now.
Author:  Nardi [ Tue Oct 03, 2023 11:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Zack Greinke
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
He's also a fringy Hall of Famer.

No he's not.

Yes he is. 100% fringy.



If he's "fringy" there aren't going to be many starting pitchers in the Hall going forward. He's got a .590 winning percentage over 500+ starts and 3000 strikeouts.

What do you think it should take to make the Hall of Fame?


I think Verlander, Kershaw, and Scherzer all get in before he does. They've all pitched in bigger games and have similar or better numbers.


Yeah, all those guys are obviously in. But I'm not sure how many even like them there will be in the future. Blake Snell is going to have a Cy Young in both leagues and he's never been beyond the seventh inning. I think Greinke is a no-brainer. I would call Buehrle "fringy."

I s'pose you're right. I mean, if Buehrle is fringe, Greinke is probably in within 2-3 years.
Author:  Warren Newson [ Tue Oct 03, 2023 6:19 pm ]
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Jaw Breaker wrote:
Verlander, Scherzer, Kershaw all 1st ballot, no doubt.

Greinke on fringe, probably in eventually. Wainwright further on fringe, probably out.


That's about right. How many times was Greinke one of top five pitchers in any given year? He's a guy who would ordinarily get in on a milestone basis, but hasn't hit the milestones. I think, for this era, you've got to base your candidacy on a seven year run of dominance more than anything else.

All that being said, in looking into all this, Kershaw has a career. 695 winning percentage. Run support does count for something.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Zack Greinke
Warren Newson wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
Verlander, Scherzer, Kershaw all 1st ballot, no doubt.

Greinke on fringe, probably in eventually. Wainwright further on fringe, probably out.


That's about right. How many times was Greinke one of top five pitchers in any given year? He's a guy who would ordinarily get in on a milestone basis, but hasn't hit the milestones. I think, for this era, you've got to base your candidacy on a seven year run of dominance more than anything else.

All that being said, in looking into all this, Kershaw has a career. 695 winning percentage. Run support does count for something.


Greinke was a dominant pitcher in the lesser league. He had one good season in the AL.


You think Kershaw has a near .700 winning percentage because of "run support"?
Author:  man of few opinions [ Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:32 pm ]
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When does Jamie Moyer get in?
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