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Author:  Curious Hair [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:49 pm ]
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Gloopan Kuratz wrote:
If they let a team move to Vegas, they wouldn't get the expansion fee.

$500 mil divided by 30


The league got a relocation fee when the Thrashers moved to Winnipeg. Granted, it was only $60MM. Funny how there was no relocation fee when a team moved from Winnipeg.

It wouldn't surprise me if this whole expansion thing is cancelled or relaunched now that Quebec City applied and Seattle didn't. The plan was always for Las Vegas and Seattle to be the two expansion teams, bringing the West up to 16 and keeping the precious Red Wings with Florida and Eastern Canada. Then Seattle fucked it all up by having three groups apply for expansion without a single one of them submitting the application. Maybe the league will re-assume ownership of the Coyotes, fold the team, and do a one-team expansion to Las Vegas to bring the league back to 30 teams. That brings in phat xpansion feez, keeps a team in the Southwest, keeps Detroit in the East, and keeps Quebec City out of the NHL: all wins for the NHL.
Author:  IkeSouth [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:36 pm ]
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lightning fans will bail the first year they dont make the playoffs
Author:  Scorehead [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:48 pm ]
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IMU wrote:
Las Vegas has a metro population of 2 million.

Add to that the tourists, and you're doing just fine.

Don't compare Las Vegas to Raleigh.

You strike me as one that doesn't travel much.


Wrong demo for the NHL... and tourists arent going to Vegas to watch the Las Vegas Gamblers NHL team play Hockey.
Author:  bigfan [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:52 pm ]
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Scorehead wrote:
IMU wrote:
Las Vegas has a metro population of 2 million.

Add to that the tourists, and you're doing just fine.

Don't compare Las Vegas to Raleigh.

You strike me as one that doesn't travel much.


Wrong demo for the NHL... and tourists arent going to Vegas to watch the Las Vegas Gamblers NHL team play Hockey.


could see some, Boston, NY and Chicago would, it would be 1 game a year...so thats 3 sell outs! could see Montreal making a good show of it...and Maybe Anneheim...

Minn and St Louis would show some, but wouldnt be noticeable.....but the team might be really really good if they get a deal like some other teams that get to spend everything they have on the team...
Author:  Curious Hair [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:11 pm ]
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What do you mean by that? All 30 teams are bound by the salary cap. If anything, there are teams that get a wink from the NHL not to spend the minimum (Coyotes, Islanders in the past).

Counting on Ducks fans to travel well is a bad bet. They don't even show up to home games all that well. They're the Los Angeles Hockey White Sox.
Author:  pittmike [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:11 pm ]
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Prior to this NHL to Vegas talk I thought the issue was gambling. Meaning the other leagues wanted to stay away from it. I would bet a NFL or NBA team could also do well in Vegas.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:17 pm ]
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The NBA would make the most sense for Las Vegas. It's always been a pretty good college hoops town, it's a mass-appeal sport rather than the niche-appeal NHL, and the NBA has a proven record of stability in small markets and one-team towns that the NHL only really has with its Canadian teams. Unfortunately, having the All-Star Weekend there in '07 (which I thought was pretty cool) apparently scared the bejeezus out of the casinos because of how many black people were hanging around town.
Author:  conns7901 [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:19 pm ]
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pittmike wrote:
Prior to this NHL to Vegas talk I thought the issue was gambling. Meaning the other leagues wanted to stay away from it. I would bet a NFL or NBA team could also do well in Vegas.


NFL would have the easiest time. Only 8 games to fill and could easily get fans from toher cities out there every weekend.
Author:  pittmike [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:21 pm ]
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Well if that Vegas 2M population number is right they should do ok unless they get a really dumb owner. Pittsburgh whole metro not even 1M.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:24 pm ]
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pittmike wrote:
Well if that Vegas 2M population number is right they should do ok unless they get a really dumb owner. Pittsburgh whole metro not even 1M.


Wrong: the Pittsburgh CSA (the fancy demographers' term for "the whole metro") is estimated at 2,653,781, which puts them eight slots up on Las Vegas. The only metropolitan area with under a million people and a major-league sports team is Winnipeg, and the Jets still make more money than about half the league. (I don't count Green Bay.)
Author:  pittmike [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:34 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Well if that Vegas 2M population number is right they should do ok unless they get a really dumb owner. Pittsburgh whole metro not even 1M.


Wrong: the Pittsburgh CSA (the fancy demographers' term for "the whole metro") is estimated at 2,653,781, which puts them eight slots up on Las Vegas. The only metropolitan area with under a million people and a major-league sports team is Winnipeg, and the Jets still make more money than about half the league. (I don't count Green Bay.)



They must stretch. Pittsburgh's actual population is about 400k. Not sure how far they count.
Author:  Darkside [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:35 pm ]
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pittmike wrote:

They must stretch. Pittsburgh's actual population is about 400k. Not sure how far they count.

Up to about 400,000 I guess.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:52 pm ]
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pittmike wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Well if that Vegas 2M population number is right they should do ok unless they get a really dumb owner. Pittsburgh whole metro not even 1M.


Wrong: the Pittsburgh CSA (the fancy demographers' term for "the whole metro") is estimated at 2,653,781, which puts them eight slots up on Las Vegas. The only metropolitan area with under a million people and a major-league sports team is Winnipeg, and the Jets still make more money than about half the league. (I don't count Green Bay.)



They must stretch. Pittsburgh's actual population is about 400k. Not sure how far they count.

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There's your answer, fishbulb.
Author:  BigW72 [ Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:31 pm ]
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http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/sort/homePct
Florida, Carolina, Arizona, Columbus, New Jersey, Colorado at the bottom of the list for home attendance percentage.

I realize the NHL has their mind made up on expansion teams already, but for Fuck Sake, those bottom 4 cities have no business having hockey teams. Fix that first before you expand and water down the league even further.
Author:  pittmike [ Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:50 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Well if that Vegas 2M population number is right they should do ok unless they get a really dumb owner. Pittsburgh whole metro not even 1M.


Wrong: the Pittsburgh CSA (the fancy demographers' term for "the whole metro") is estimated at 2,653,781, which puts them eight slots up on Las Vegas. The only metropolitan area with under a million people and a major-league sports team is Winnipeg, and the Jets still make more money than about half the league. (I don't count Green Bay.)



They must stretch. Pittsburgh's actual population is about 400k. Not sure how far they count.

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There's your answer, fishbulb.


Pretty vast are but not unlike Chicago
Author:  bigfan [ Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:58 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
The NBA would make the most sense for Las Vegas. It's always been a pretty good college hoops town, it's a mass-appeal sport rather than the niche-appeal NHL, and the NBA has a proven record of stability in small markets and one-team towns that the NHL only really has with its Canadian teams. Unfortunately, having the All-Star Weekend there in '07 (which I thought was pretty cool) apparently scared the bejeezus out of the casinos because of how many black people were hanging around town.


The most sense is baseball.

"Series" brings people to towns and they have a base of baseball fans in Vegas right now.

Of course the NFL Brings people to town, but thats only 8 games. Now, if they could do something with UNLV, it makes more sense.

The NBA wants no part of VEGAS.
Author:  spanky [ Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:38 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
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There's your answer, fishbulb.

See that yellow county that is farthest west, in Ohio?

The county that is directly west of where the Pittsburgh airport is located.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:36 am ]
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Haha, yeah, it sure feels that way. When I flew out of Pittsburgh, not only did I feel like I was going nowhere, I also felt like the only one there. Is there a real Pittsburgh airport that everyone else goes to while I had to schlep halfway to Youngstown?
Author:  Curious Hair [ Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:27 pm ]
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Expansion seems to be on hold because only Las Vegas and Quebec City applied. The league really wants to be in Las Vegas, but would rather not be in Las Vegas at all then be there but also be in Quebec City. It's comical how much the NHL shits on its base.
Author:  Scorehead [ Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:31 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Expansion seems to be on hold because only Las Vegas and Quebec City applied. The league really wants to be in Las Vegas, but would rather not be in Las Vegas at all then be there but also be in Quebec City. It's comical how much the NHL shits on its base.


Las Vegas will end up like nearly every other NHL expansion team in a warm weather climate. No one there will care. Tourists certainly arent going to Vegas to go to a Hockey game. Just a terrible idea. Quebec City is a no brainer and makes complete sense.
Author:  pittmike [ Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:32 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Haha, yeah, it sure feels that way. When I flew out of Pittsburgh, not only did I feel like I was going nowhere, I also felt like the only one there. Is there a real Pittsburgh airport that everyone else goes to while I had to schlep halfway to Youngstown?


Some people fly cheap in and out of Latrobe. Same problem but east. Is really small and convenient though.
Author:  Kirkwood [ Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:06 pm ]
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Couple NHL sources telling me Vegas is done deal for '17-18, with formal approval by BOG this month

This will fail spectacularly.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:15 pm ]
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Now word is getting out that it'll be relocation, not expansion, to Las Vegas. Noted dickbag Peter Karmanos emptied out his kids' trust funds to cover the costs of running the Carolina Hurricanes into the ground, so his kids sued him. Now the Vegas guys might just buy the Hurricanes and move them out west, thereby cancelling expansion, which the NHL didn't want to do anyway once the only non-Vegas applicant was Quebec City.
Author:  Don Tiny [ Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:21 pm ]
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'Noted dickbag'. :lol: :lol:

Criminally underused phrase.
Author:  BigW72 [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:11 pm ]
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http://wfla.com/2016/06/15/ap-source-nh ... expansion/
They keep using the word expansion...I hope you are correct, CH in that it's a move Carolina, Arizona....who cares. Adding a team is idiotic.

The only argument I can make for the Vegas NHL team is one of the big sports is going to put a team there eventually....might as well be the first. There are better locations, but obviously the NHL doesn't care.

Please, God...just let this turn out to be a relocation and not a 31st team.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:11 pm ]
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Nope, sounds like they're gonna keep extending credit to the Hurricanes and expand to Las Vegas, but not Quebec City.

This was always about getting Seattle in, which is apparently never going to happen. This goes back to 1976, when the NHL was going to expand to Denver and Seattle to fight off what was left of the WHA. It was all set, but then the Kansas City Scouts ran out of money and were sold to Denver interests. Instead of saying "okay, we'll just expand to San Francisco and Seattle instead," the league cancelled expansion altogether and left Seattle in the lurch. Then in the '90s when the league was soliciting expansion bids, the owner of the Supersonics elbowed all other suitors out of the process, only to drop out of the bidding once no one else could get in, thereby protecting the Supersonics from ever having a co-tenant. Then, as one last power move, he made sure the new arena bowl wasn't big enough to fit a hockey rink without knocking half the seats out. Of course, now there's no Sonics and no hockey. Seattle was getting all set to build a new arena for new NBA/NHL teams, but the city council shot the plan down because it would have required building over a street. I think they're allergic to sports, which is probably good.

Anyway, they moved Columbus and Detroit to the East to shut the Ilitches up (remember the original realignment called for four "conferences" with tons of regional games and two games each against everyone else, the Wings were fine with this, the union wasn't) and open the West up for Las Vegas and Seattle. The NHL announced expansion hoping those cities would apply so they could be the two finalists out of however many, but then not only did no one from Seattle apply for a team, no one else but Las Vegas and Quebec City did. Now the NHL has to say they're just gonna go with 31 teams when the obvious natural conclusion of all this was 32.
Author:  Douchebag [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:13 pm ]
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This is going to be a colossal failure.
Author:  KDdidit [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:21 pm ]
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Thanks NHL for not letting some other league make this mistake first.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:42 pm ]
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Should have been the NBA and probably would have if all the casino/hotel owners didn't completely flip their shit that one time black people descended upon Vegas en masse for the All-Star Game.
Author:  Hockey Gay [ Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:54 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Should have been the NBA and probably would have if all the casino/hotel owners didn't completely flip their shit that one time black people descended upon Vegas en masse for the All-Star Game.

I'm not sure if hockey players living in Vegas for half of the year is going to be any better.
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