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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:41 am 
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Who gives a shit if the Bulls are the worst team in the league next year.


if you're a fan, you'll give a shit. i've watched a lot of bad sixers basketball over the years. and it's never fun. i watched a lot of bad cubs baseball too, and it never made it easier thinking that they'd win a championship. going through it still sucks the root.

with the sixers, there is this tiny shred of hope that they come together and become a force. but watching a shitshow is still watching a shitshow.


I remember a lot of people complaining about the Bulls being .500 last year. They would have loved for them to win 20-25 games as long as it showed a plan. Now it looks like we got it

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of all the players available they took the finnish guy?!?!

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Chicago Bulls: F

After Chicago reportedly demanded multiple high draft picks (including the one that ultimately landed No. 1 overall) from the Boston Celtics at the trade deadline, it's stunning to see the Bulls deal Butler for such a paltry package.

In Butler, the Bulls had one of the most valuable player contracts in the entire league. Butler, who rated third in the league in wins produced based on ESPN's real plus-minus (RPM) behind LeBron James and Stephen Curry in 2016-17, has two more guaranteed years remaining at $18.7 and $19.8 million before a player option for 2019-20 (also for $19.8 million) that he's sure to decline barring injury. Over those two years, I project his production as worth about $90 million, giving Butler more than $50 million in surplus value to his team. That ranks 10th in the league.

Clearly, Chicago is valuing Dunn like the elite point guard prospect a handful of teams thought he was during the draft process this time a year ago and LaVine as a guard with star potential. Those assessments don't hold up to stronger scrutiny.

Given his age, Dunn was never a favorite of my statistical draft projections. He ranked 18th among last year's prospects in my stats-only projections and seventh when his draft slot (fifth overall, which also is predictive) was taken into account.

Dunn's performance as a rookie reconfirmed those concerns. He shot just 28.8 percent from 3-point range on 2.0 attempts per 36 minutes, and he wasn't much better inside the arc, at 40.4 percent. Among the 282 players who played at least 1,000 minutes last season, Dunn's .432 true shooting percentage ranked dead last.

On the plus side, Dunn showed strong defensive potential, and he played a little better off the ball after Minnesota coach Tom Thibodeau began playing him alongside pass-first point guard Tyus Jones. It's true that point guards develop later than players at other positions, so we shouldn't think of Dunn as a finished product at age 23.

That said, no objective analysis of Dunn's rookie season suggests he's likely to develop into an NBA starting point guard, which is how the Bulls are almost certainly valuing him in this trade.

Then there's LaVine, who showed exciting scoring ability before a torn ACL ended his 2016-17 campaign in early February. His 18.9 points per game last season were the sixth most by a player age 22 or younger, trailing Timberwolves teammates Karl-Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins, All-Star Giannis Antetokounmpo, Devin Booker and Jabari Parker. LaVine accomplished that on good efficiency, posting a .576 true shooting percentage.

The problem is on the defensive end of the court. LaVine is a poor individual defender whose team defense instincts are lacking. He also generates few steals and is a nonfactor on the defensive glass. LaVine's minus-2.4 defensive RPM ranked in the league's bottom 30. To become something more than a potent sixth man, LaVine will have to improve defensively.

Worse yet, LaVine is entering the final season of his rookie contract. A realistic timetable for his recovery from ACL surgery makes it unlikely LaVine will be back for training camp, meaning Chicago will probably have to decide on a possible extension for him before seeing him take the court. The Bulls can wait for LaVine to become a restricted free agent and decide whether to match any offer, certainly, but at that point, he would be more likely to be fairly paid than the kind of bargain Chicago should have been seeking as part of a package for Butler.

Without being in the room for trade talks, it's tough to know what kind of offers the Bulls passed on to make this deal. But given that Dunn and LaVine should have relatively little trade value and Chicago had to give up its own first-round pick to move up just seven spots (a move equivalent to the value of the 23rd pick, per my trade value chart), it's hard to imagine there wasn't a better deal available.

If this truly was the best the Bulls could do for Butler right now, then I'm not sure I understand the urgency to move him. In the worst-case scenario, where Butler's trade value eroded further, Chicago could have just held on to Butler and tried to compete in the Eastern Conference during his prime.

I get the argument for moving Butler because the Bulls aren't particularly competitive with him, but not if this is all they could get in return. This package doesn't set Chicago up for a future any brighter than the eighth-seed purgatory the team was already in.

Minnesota Timberwolves: A+


For a year, we've been waiting for Thibodeau's regime to make a win-now move. The Timberwolves resisted last summer, spending modestly in free agency to conserve cap space for this year, and at the trade deadline. Now that this deal has finally come, it's far better than anyone could have imagined or perhaps even dreamed.

My fear was that Minnesota would continue to overvalue Dunn, moving starting point guard Ricky Rubio for pennies on the dollar to clear room for Dunn in the starting lineup. While we don't know if the Timberwolves will keep Rubio, the organization didn't hesitate to move on from Dunn when he fell short of expectations. And if you're as down on Dunn and LaVine as I am, the Timberwolves didn't do much to hurt their long-term future.

It's still a little early for Minnesota to really contend in the Western Conference. Wiggins is 22 and Towns won't turn 22 until November. But given their age, another year of learning Thibodeau's defense and their hope of improving their bad luck in close games, the Timberwolves were likely to improve by simply bringing back the same roster. Now, Minnesota should be considered heavy favorites to make the playoffs for the first time since reaching the 2004 Western Conference finals.


Amazingly, assuming Nikola Pekovic's salary is medically excluded (the Timberwolves recently waived the center, who didn't play at all last season due to injury) and Minnesota renounces the rights to restricted free agent Shabazz Muhammad, the team could still clear nearly $20 million in cap space to add to this group.

Barring a Rubio trade, the idea of pairing Paul Millsap with Towns in the frontcourt is probably off the table, but the Timberwolves can shop for a lower-cost upgrade at power forward to complement Towns and Gorgui Dieng. (One possibility? Nikola Mirotic, a restricted free agent who doesn't appear to be in the Bulls' plans now that they drafted Arizona forward Lauri Markkanen with the pick they acquired in this trade.)

While this mix isn't perfect -- Rubio, Butler and Wiggins don't offer enough shooting as a perimeter trio -- 45 wins is well within Minnesota's capability next season, and 50 wins is a distinct possibility. The Timberwolves have the next couple of years to try to win enough games to convince Butler to stick around long term. But that worry is for another day. As of tonight, Minnesota is a huge winner.

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I was on board with trading Butler, but not for someone else's junk. Oh well, this will all be fun bad now as long as Gar and Hoiberg are around.

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Hopefully Michael Porter Jr is in their future

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I was on board with trading Butler, but not for someone else's junk. Oh well, this will all be fun bad now as long as Gar and Hoiberg are around.




Pax is the worst of the bunch.

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Hopefully Michael Porter Jr is in their future


Agreed. It's what I have been saying is there only hope. Do you go to any games in Columbia?

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That would be nice.

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Hopefully Michael Porter Jr is in their future


Agreed. It's what I have been saying is there only hope. Do you go to any games in Columbia?

Have went to a few but it has been several years. Now with Porter in the house I may get to a couple this season.

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RFDC wrote:
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Hopefully Michael Porter Jr is in their future


Agreed. It's what I have been saying is there only hope. Do you go to any games in Columbia?

Have went to a few but it has been several years. Now with Porter in the house I may get to a couple this season.


And his younger brother, who is a great prospect as well. The former Ilini recruit Tillmon is there too. Braggin Rights will be fun next year.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
RFDC wrote:
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Hopefully Michael Porter Jr is in their future


Agreed. It's what I have been saying is there only hope. Do you go to any games in Columbia?

Have went to a few but it has been several years. Now with Porter in the house I may get to a couple this season.


And his younger brother, who is a great prospect as well. The former Ilini recruit Tillmon is there too. Braggin Rights will be fun next year.


Tilmon got pinched for alcohol possession the other day

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Hopefully Michael Porter Jr is in their future


Agreed. It's what I have been saying is there only hope. Do you go to any games in Columbia?

Have went to a few but it has been several years. Now with Porter in the house I may get to a couple this season.


And his younger brother, who is a great prospect as well. The former Ilini recruit Tillmon is there too. Braggin Rights will be fun next year.


Tilmon got pinched for alcohol possession the other day


Well his career is over.

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The piling on continues. https://theringer.com/thom-thibodeau-mi ... 6aaeced93f

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Don't forget, JR is the best sports owner Chicago has ever had! 7 championships!

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Such horrible deals made last season for Wade and Rondo.

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but Rondo was better than Butler !!


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Paxson got the best deal that he was going to get for Butler. He's been on the block for a year. People here (surprise) had him overvalued and the NBA didn't. Bulls didn't want to gamble on keeping the guy around and possibly having to pay him 200 million.

Funny how making the playoffs is considered such a great thing too. I thought winning championships was the goal. The Wolves are "poised" to make the playoffs and now it's suddenly morning in America again. Cue the damn barbecue sauce Ronald Reagan.

This razzing is a joke and i'm not even on the GarPax train. Time for them to be whacked and a new vision installed. They have had 14 years to get it done and they can't.

Trading Butler (which people here are mad about ultimately)isn't a bad thing. Should have did it last season. I find it ironic that the great Thibs was the only one willing to give up much for him. At least the Bulls were able to acquire "talent" for the overrated Ball stopper.

The fucking trainer blasted the deal because he was shitty that his meal ticket may not up the price for his services now that $200 million is off the table. Wolves aren't paying that with Towns and even Wiggins on the roster.

Butler will now be a 2nd or possibly a 3rd option now that he is on the Wolves. That is what he should have been all along.

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Paxson got the best deal that he was going to get for Butler.




long time guy wrote:
Trading Butler (which people here are mad about ultimately)isn't a bad thing. Should have did it last season. I find it ironic that the great Thibs was the only one willing to give up much for him. At least the Bulls were able to acquire "talent" for the overrated Ball stopper.




can you at least not contradict yourself within the same post ? They got the best deal...but they should have traded him least season :lol:


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Bagels wrote:
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Paxson got the best deal that he was going to get for Butler.




long time guy wrote:
Trading Butler (which people here are mad about ultimately)isn't a bad thing. Should have did it last season. I find it ironic that the great Thibs was the only one willing to give up much for him. At least the Bulls were able to acquire "talent" for the overrated Ball stopper.




can you at least not contradict yourself within the same post ? They got the best deal...but they should have traded him least season :lol:



You have comprehend a little better. They got the Best deal they were going to get for him at this time. I really don't know what they could have gotten for him last year. My point is that the rebuild should have started last season. I'm on record as saying that.

As far as Dunn goes it's interesting how suddenly he isn't "young" anymore either. He is now a bum and a "bust" now that the Bulls acquired him. I must have missed this while the Thibs love fest was going on last season.

I called him that. Don't recall a lot of agreement on it but now that he is gone he is suddenly a shitty ass player.

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I really don't know what they could have gotten for him last year



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Bagels wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Paxson got the best deal that he was going to get for Butler.




long time guy wrote:
Trading Butler (which people here are mad about ultimately)isn't a bad thing. Should have did it last season. I find it ironic that the great Thibs was the only one willing to give up much for him. At least the Bulls were able to acquire "talent" for the overrated Ball stopper.




can you at least not contradict yourself within the same post ? They got the best deal...but they should have traded him least season :lol:



You have comprehend a little better. They got the Best deal they were going to get for him at this time. I really don't know what they could have gotten for him last year. My point is that the rebuild should have started last season. I'm on record as saying that.

As far as Dunn goes it's interesting how suddenly he isn't "young" anymore either. He is now a bum and a "bust" now that the Bulls acquired him. I must have missed this while the Thibs love fest was going on last season.

I called him that. Don't recall a lot of agreement on it but now that he is gone he is suddenly a shitty ass player.


Aren't Bulls fans calling Dunn a bum?

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Dunn will be fine. He isn't the issue but many don't see it. Jimmy Butler was the issue all along.

I have been telling you for years that Butler was totally overrated on this board. But none of you listened. It was just like when I told you all that Kyrie would school Steph.

There are a lot of false equivalencies and inaccuracies being drawn here. Keep doubting me that's fine. I have a masters in this shit.


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I really don't know what they could have gotten for him last year



more than this

Paxson has shopped the guy for over a year. I'm certain of that. I believed that he tried to get more and was turned down. Butler isn't as valued as people here think. It's obvious. You keep him and risk paying 200 mil or getting nothing. I would not take this chance. I'm not enamored by the trade but at least they acquired talent. Both Dunn and Levine have been considered that at least. Don't know if it will translate into being players though Lavine is much further along than Dunn with that.

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Dunn will be fine. He isn't the issue but many don't see it. Jimmy Butler was the issue all along.

I have been telling you for years that Butler was totally overrated on this board. But none of you listened. It was just like when I told you all that Kyrie would school Steph.

There are a lot of false equivalencies and inaccuracies being drawn here. Keep doubting me that's fine. I have a masters in this shit.

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Only Kyrie didnt school steph.

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Dunn will be fine. He isn't the issue but many don't see it. Jimmy Butler was the issue all along.

I have been telling you for years that Butler was totally overrated on this board. But none of you listened. It was just like when I told you all that Kyrie would school Steph.

There are a lot of false equivalencies and inaccuracies being drawn here. Keep doubting me that's fine. I have a masters in this shit.



Hi my name is Long Time Gay and I'm a mult. Don't know what that Is? Neither does 99.99999% of the American population either. Don't feel dumb. I get my kicks from following an anonymous message board dude around and anonymously replicating his every thought.

Do not question my sanity for this as I am perfectly normal. Trust me there is nothing abnormal about this. I don't have the balls (lost them while fucking someone in the ass) to post under my own name so I find it necessary to assume another one.

I'm long time gay and this has been Message Board Service Announcement :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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long time guy wrote:
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I really don't know what they could have gotten for him last year



more than this

I believed that he tried to get more and was turned down. Butler isn't as valued as people here think. It's obvious.


As Nas has already mentioned, they could have had picks from Boston . You really do just make shit up


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Dunn will be fine. He isn't the issue but many don't see it. Jimmy Butler was the issue all along.

I have been telling you for years that Butler was totally overrated on this board. But none of you listened. It was just like when I told you all that Kyrie would school Steph.

There are a lot of false equivalencies and inaccuracies being drawn here. Keep doubting me that's fine. I have a masters in this shit.



Hi my name is Long Time Gay and I'm a mult. Don't know what that Is? Neither does 99.99999% of the American population either. Don't feel dumb. I get my kicks from following an anonymous message board dude around and anonymously replicating his every thought.

Do not question my sanity for this as I am perfectly normal. Trust me there is nothing abnormal about this. I don't have the balls (lost them while fucking someone in the ass) to post under my own name so I find it necessary to assume another one.

I'm long time gay and this has been Message Board Service Announcement :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



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